Re: Unique / Odd Weapons

by MikhailN Fri 2 Oct 2009 - 11:16

Awinnell wrote:

8mm experimental bullpup rifle, German, WWII

Hey, looks like everyone was working on bullpup rifles during that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM-2_rifle

Does this look familiar?

by SPARTAN 119 Mon 5 Oct 2009 - 21:24

rusty-spring wrote:
My favorite of the bunch. Appears to be some bastard child AK/Famas thing carved from wood. For being a disfigured, ugly, crime against firearms it still strikes me as awesome.

You know the name of that thing by any chance?

Anyway, here's the Einstossflammenwerfer, a disposable one-shot flamethrower good for a half-second's worth of flame. Designed by the Germans in 1944.
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by **Nachtsider** Mon 5 Oct 2009 - 22:35

I doubt that thing has a name. Looks homemade.

And I remember that one-shot flamethrower. The Russkies thought it was shit.

by funkmachine Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 8:56

it was shit because it was a Volkssturm (National Militia) weapon built under the Primitiv-Waffen-Programm ("primitive weapons program")

it did have a SMG the Volksmaschinenpistole ("people's submachine gun") Unique / Odd Weapons - Page 3 MP_3008_Sub_Machine_Gun_Wooden-Stocked

Unique / Odd Weapons - Page 3 MP_3008_Sub_Machine_Gun_Wooden-Stocked

that was based off the Sten gun(it self a named the "Plumber's Nightmare")

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hell the weapons built in occupied Poland
The Błyskawica (Lightning) 700 built in occupied Poland
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The K pattern flamethrower built in the hundreds (in one workshop of Antoni Więckowski in Warsaw alone, there were about 400 produced)
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Unique / Odd Weapons - Page 3 Warsaw_Uprising_-_Small_PASTa_-_Flamethrower

by Guest Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 10:58

I've always wondered about this one
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wiki sez it's got a few adopters around the world

by **Kiskaloo** Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 11:04

Kuransu wrote:I've always wondered about this one...

It was ranked #4 of the top ten Close Quarter Battle Weapons on The Military Channel show Ultimate Weapons.

by MikhailN Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 11:08

Kuransu wrote:I've always wondered about this one

wiki sez it's got a few adopters around the world

That's CornerShot. A badass piece made by an equally badass Israeli, it allows the user to mount a weapon on it and shoot around corners. There's even a little screen to let the user aim the weapon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornerShot

Apparently there are versions that allow the M16 and even a 40mm grenade launcher to be mounted. Nothing to be sniffed at head bang

by **Nachtsider** Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 11:19

Fun fact: A Nerf gun (the Sneak Shot) featuring the CornerShot concept appeared almost a decade before the real CornerShot was invented.

by MikhailN Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 11:28

Nachtsider wrote:Fun fact: A Nerf gun (the Sneak Shot) featuring the CornerShot concept appeared almost a decade before the real CornerShot was invented.

That one was an epic fail because it was an actual airsoft gun with a barrel that could go round corners and had a mirror that helped in aiming. When you force the air through a bent barrel, you can imagine that the projectile (or whatever you call it) comes out with less force, so the sharper the angle the less the projectile will fly. Also, the mirror was basically a mirror on a stick and fell off easily. The fact that it was discontinued speaks volumes

by **Nachtsider** Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 11:37

Can't argue with any of that; I never said it was a good gun. Unique / Odd Weapons - Page 3 Icon_razz

I wish Nerf would take those points you raised to heart and release an improved version.

by **boomer_gonz** Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 15:07

To see the Cornershot in action, watch Wanted starring Morgan Freeman, Angelina Jolie, and Angelina Jolie's tatoo's.

by LoC978 Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 22:53

but... (see what I did there?)
...be sure to turn off your brain so the pseudoscience presented in said movie doesn't have a chance to assault it.

by Nuke is Good Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 23:07

LoC978 wrote:but... (see what I did there?)
...be sure to turn off your brain so the pseudoscience presented in said movie doesn't have a chance to assault it.

That movie was a weapon in itself, it causes me to fall asleep even though I was playing my PSP in that theatre. It was that bad of a movie to me.

by tsundere9kagami2 Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 23:43

It was like putting out messages to me that said....Shoot up your school and say "fuck" a lot

by LoC978 Wed 7 Oct 2009 - 0:12

I would hope you're not so easily swayed...

and for those who are... well, they need shock collars and other forms of animal training, seeing as they're obviously not capable of the restraint necessary to think for themselves

LoC's inner voice wrote:Elitist Gestapo much?

...bah, there's no acceptable solution.
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by **Kiskaloo** Wed 7 Oct 2009 - 11:29

If you receive The History Channel, last night's episode of The Universe was about "Space Wars" so they showed a number of futuristic weapons including anti-matter bombs, lasers and particle beam weapons, "Rods from Gods" kinetic kill vehicles and other goodies. The show is repeated all week.

by funkmachine Thu 8 Oct 2009 - 18:54

the stg 44 had bent barrel attachment for rifles with a periscope sighting device to cover the dead areas in the close range around a tank.
60 years and now you need to batteys Puzzled

by MikhailN Thu 8 Oct 2009 - 19:37

funkmachine wrote:the stg 44 had bent barrel attachment for rifles with a periscope sighting device to cover the dead areas in the close range around a tank.
60 years and now you need to batteys

Well, the Krummlauf only had fixed angles (30, 45, 60 and 90 degrees, I think) and it literally was a bent barrel. Naturally the life of the barrel wasn't that long. 60 years on and I'd say the Israelis improved on the idea

by MikhailN Fri 9 Oct 2009 - 23:41

SPARTAN 119 wrote:
rusty-spring wrote:
My favorite of the bunch. Appears to be some bastard child AK/Famas thing carved from wood. For being a disfigured, ugly, crime against firearms it still strikes me as awesome.

You know the name of that thing by any chance?

Oh yes I know the name of that weird thingy - Korobov TKB-022 assault rifle [experimental]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as94-e.htm

by **Nachtsider** Sat 10 Oct 2009 - 0:33

Wow. Guess I was wrong.

by funkmachine Sun 11 Oct 2009 - 16:22

Unique / Odd Weapons - Page 3 Franchimod410

Franchi Prototype .410 Full-Auto Shotgun -- 15 round box magazine, 200 rounds per minute in full auto. Usefull if ever attacked by a mass of small rodents.

or
the NIVA XM1970
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yes thats a 5.56mm gun on the under side Very Happy

Pribor 3b

yes it has three barrels
and yes some one draink a lot of vodka that night

The 9mm double-barrelled Villar Perosa
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Unique / Odd Weapons - Page 3 Villar_perosa_smg

it start life as a flexible observer's gun for airplanes but it was first issued to infantry battalions in 1916 but thay give it a big shield and 14 men to crew it (the gun only weighs 6.5kg)
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Unique / Odd Weapons - Page 3 Villar_perosa_smg%20(2)

still in 1917: they dropped the big shield.

by SPARTAN 119 Sat 17 Oct 2009 - 14:28

funkmachine wrote:
the NIVA XM1970

yes thats a 5.56mm gun on the under side

A rocket launcher with a 5.56mm assault rifle attached!!: Full of Win

also, check out this Russian APS underwater assault rifle:
Unique / Odd Weapons - Page 3 Aps

by funkmachine Mon 19 Oct 2009 - 15:52

thay made a duel use models
ADS dual-medium

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you just change mag for under water and land

by **Nachtsider** Mon 19 Oct 2009 - 16:15

Why are there different mags for underwater and land environments again?

by **Kiskaloo** Mon 19 Oct 2009 - 16:33

Nachtsider wrote:Why are there different mags for underwater and land environments again?

I expect part of it is for sealing purposes and the ammunition might be different (as I recall, Soviet underwater rounds were more similar to darts to improve their hydrodynamics).

by kamajii Wed 21 Oct 2009 - 8:18

As world.guns.ru said, 5.45x39 PSP round is universal for air and water. So ADS-DM has one mag.

by MikhailN Wed 21 Oct 2009 - 8:47

kamajii wrote:As world.guns.ru said, 5.45x39 PSP round is universal for air and water. So ADS-DM has one mag.

?

?

I'm looking at the site now and it says that they use the 7N6 or 7N10 or 7N22 rounds for above water fire and the PSP rounds for underwater fire. I suppose they did design the PSP rounds for some emergency above water usage but from what I'm reading they do need to change their ammo before they go above water

by kamajii Thu 22 Oct 2009 - 10:36

"As
of now (mid-2009), the ADS is said to be under extensive field trials
by undisclosed units of Russian Naval special forces. If adopted, it
will replace APS underwater weapons and, possibly, some AK-74M general issue assault rifles in service with Russian
Navy special operation units and other Russian special forces, which
might be engaged in underwater operations (security, counter-terrorism
in the sea, etc)."
ADS can use PSP round and ordinal 5.45x39 round from the same standart mag AK-74.

by Cryingvoid Fri 23 Oct 2009 - 7:10

О! Каманьч, хая! :3

by kamajii Fri 23 Oct 2009 - 15:28

Cryingvoid wrote:О! Каманьч, хая! :3

Привет-привет! Smile

by MikhailN Fri 23 Oct 2009 - 17:26

kamajii wrote:
Cryingvoid wrote:О! Каманьч, хая! :3
Привет-привет!

Translation please?

by **Kiskaloo** Fri 23 Oct 2009 - 17:41

Google Translate is your friend - Привет-привет! is "Hello-Hello!" and О! Каманьч, хая! is About! Kamanch, hai!

by Cryingvoid Fri 23 Oct 2009 - 17:56

Kiskaloo wrote:Google Translate is your friend - Привет-привет! is "Hello-Hello!" and О! Каманьч, хая! is About! Kamanch, hai!

Something like that)
Sorry for the mess Unique / Odd Weapons - Page 3 183408

Nara ba nihongo wo yarou yo! Ne? Dare ka koko ni roma-ji wo wakaru?

by tsundere9kagami2 Fri 23 Oct 2009 - 21:19

YEah well...

Trumpet!!!

by tsundere9kagami2 Sat 24 Oct 2009 - 0:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcs47yppl0A

My new favorite odd gun.

by SPARTAN 119 Sat 24 Oct 2009 - 1:45

A .22 belt fed mini-machine gun based off an M4 frame, another excellent weapon against armies of rodents.

And a punt gun, I'm not sure if it's a really large shotgun or a small cannon

The WASP knife, a knife that shoots a blast of compressed air into the wound, causing it's unfortunate victim to practically explode

A knife that's also a gun

Ok, an M249 SAW is hardly unconventional, but this method of firing it is

But never try that with a shotgun.

by kamajii Sat 24 Oct 2009 - 3:28

As answer for "A knife that's also a gun"
Soviet NRS/NRS-2 silent shooting khife for special forces.

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http://russian-weapons.com/2008/09/nrs-2/

by kamajii Sat 24 Oct 2009 - 3:48

And, As answer for "Ok, an M249 SAW is hardly unconventional, but this method of firing it is" Unique / Odd Weapons - Page 3 Icon_smile

Kord machinegun, 12.7 mm (.50 cal)

by MikhailN Sat 7 Nov 2009 - 2:43

Here's an odd weapon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator

The odd part is that its primary purpose was that of psychological warfare. An Axis soldier would be pretty worried if potentially any one of the civilians around him had one and was ready to kill him for his rifle.

Even odder still is that the people are willing to pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars today for something that was manufactured for $2.40 back then

by Probit Return Sun 8 Nov 2009 - 21:56

I actually wanted to give one of my OCs a Liberator, just for the hell of it (disguised by the thinly veiled excuse that it is a very small, easy to hide back up weapon) but I decided it was TOO impractical, and just gave up.

by funkmachine Tue 24 Nov 2009 - 10:32

kamajii wrote:As world.guns.ru said, 5.45x39 PSP round is universal for air and water. So ADS-DM has one mag.

true but it is crap in the air and it weres out fast

by Awinnell Tue 24 Nov 2009 - 16:50

mid 19th century American dagger/pepperbox pistol/knuckleduster,called the Apache.

by **Nachtsider** Tue 24 Nov 2009 - 18:36

The curve of that knuckleduster suggests that when wearing the thing, the gun barrel would be pointing right at the wearer. Yeeeesh.

by LoC978 Tue 24 Nov 2009 - 22:35

indeed it does... whoever designed that thing needed to study the construction of the human hand.

by funkmachine Thu 26 Nov 2009 - 15:25

there is a better make the Delhaxe:
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the gun the blade and the knuckleduster all in use at the same time.

by funkmachine Thu 26 Nov 2009 - 15:31

wallet / palm pistol
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folds open to reload.

by funkmachine Thu 26 Nov 2009 - 15:37

double barrel dagger pistol
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ready to shoot
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by funkmachine Thu 26 Nov 2009 - 15:50

the Harmonica pistol
this is a mad gun
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yes that is a 10 round mag.

by funkmachine Thu 26 Nov 2009 - 15:57

yes back to knuckleduster guns
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it a .22 short

by SPARTAN 119 Wed 2 Dec 2009 - 2:11

The WWI-era Russian Lebedenko Tank AKA the "Tsar tank"

An Russian attempt at a tank designed in 1914 (before the first British and French designs), with the first prototype built in 1915. The vehicle was built on a tricycle assembly with 9-meter tall front wheels intended to drive over obstacles. The tank was intended to be armed with machine guns and light cannons in four turrets, a cannon turret on top and three MG turrets on the side and bottom. When the vehicle was first tested, the rear wheel got stuck in a ditch due its weight in combination with an inadequate engine. The project was abandoned in 1917.
More info on the Lebedenko

by MadHatChemist Wed 2 Dec 2009 - 22:31

SPARTAN 119 wrote:The WWI-era Russian Lebedenko Tank AKA the "Tsar tank"...

by maverick375 Wed 2 Dec 2009 - 23:41

Remember that there are hundreds of failures for every successful design idea.

I can't say that I wouldn't be intimidated at first by that thing above, but I would quickly realize that the wheels are susceptable to arty or explosives, and an immovable tank is a poorly placed and extremely vulnerable pill-box.

by SPARTAN 119 Thu 3 Dec 2009 - 0:10

A proposed WWII German oversized tank, never actually built, the P-1000 Ratte. Armed with two 280mm (11 inch) naval guns, two 128mm anti-tank guns, 8 20mm AA guns, and 2 15mm machine guns, equipped with armor that could have only been pierced naval gunfire and aerial bombing and powered by two U-Boat engines, the Ratte was more a land battleship than a tank. Intimidating and lethal to land forces without air support, but, had one actually been built, i suspect it would have been very vulnerable to aerial bombing.

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Ratte fact sheet, translated from German.
More info on the Ratte, with a scale model compared with model tanks and trains.

by Piero Thu 3 Dec 2009 - 0:46

Quite aside from the vulnerability to air attack issue, just imagine the mobility problems such a machine would have.

by SPARTAN 119 Thu 3 Dec 2009 - 1:16

Piero wrote:Quite aside from the vulnerability to air attack issue, just imagine the mobility problems such a machine would have.

Yeah... takes up at least two, possibly more lanes on a highway*, gets about fifty feet to the gallon*, and can destroy many bridges without firing a shot, simply by driving over it!*

*All of these are estimates (and the gas mileage probably a hyperbole), not based on any actual data.

by Awinnell Thu 3 Dec 2009 - 4:33

its top speed wouldn't be that great either,it could only be used on open land,so mostly against the Soviet forces, and would sink in the mud at the first drop of rain,it's tracks would be another obvious weak point,break one with a mine or anti tank gun and it grinds to a halt and can you imagine the sort of equipment you would need to repair a broken track on that thing ?

by MikhailN Thu 3 Dec 2009 - 5:08

I'm under the impression that the thing was more for morale than actual fighting. After all, you'd expect most enemies to take one look and run for dear life

by MadHatChemist Thu 3 Dec 2009 - 21:56

SPARTAN 119 wrote:
Yeah... takes up at least two, possibly more lanes on a highway*, gets about fifty feet to the gallon*, and can destroy many bridges without firing a shot, simply by driving over it!*

*All of these are estimates (and the gas mileage probably a hyperbole), not based on any actual data.

"My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and thats the way I likes it"

by funkmachine Mon 7 Dec 2009 - 15:07

the Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster

WeightLengthWidthHeightCrew

1,500 tonnes
42.00 m
18.00 m
7.00 m
100+

with a 80 cm Gustav gun as its main weapon it was to have a range of some 38Km.
it begs you to ask why not make a hundred odd Tiger IIs,or thousands of Sturmgewehr's.

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