Re: THE CYBORGS ARE GROWING!

by **rusty-spring** Thu 25 Oct 2007 - 18:31

Nachtsider wrote:The Japanese don't know the potential they're wasting with their doujins.

I would tend to agree, but seeing as how popular (or how popular they seem to be) they haven't exactly "wasted" potential. They're just catering to the pervert market, and as well all know there are a LOT more perverts than manga aficionados. Laughing

Besides, everybody (ok, probably not EVERYBODY) loves to look at T & A. Razz

To be honest, drawing naked people is much easier than drawing fully clothed ones. You get to just draw form, not worry about clothing and how it folds or shades, or just designing the damn clothes in the first place.

The thought has crossed my mind to draw some doujins of my own, but since I normally leave my artpad out on my desk when I'm gone, probably not the best thing to keep in public view lest it be stolen or other nasty things.

Hell, I know I'm guilty of having drawn the type of facial expressions that are normally found in such things. Razz

by **ElfenMagix** Thu 25 Oct 2007 - 23:21

I just found something by Lonely Peridot involving Triela and Hillshire, and then later in the same book, Triela and Claes.

Lets just say it was... interesting.

by **emperor** Fri 26 Oct 2007 - 0:38

Nachtsider wrote:You mean his e-mail address?

Yes!!

:face:

by Danjo3 Fri 26 Oct 2007 - 0:54

Wileama wrote:Would Hillshire say something about the body she was keeping in her bed, or do you think he would just pretend it didn't happen?

I'm thinking the body in the bed would be Hillshire himself.

rusty-spring wrote:If you want to see Triela as a lustful, sex crazed loli, I'm sure there's doujin of it.

Tommy made some GSG porn available on his site. Triela appeared in all her glory. She's actually a very talented girl...

by **emperor** Fri 26 Oct 2007 - 1:57

Tommy made some GSG porn available on his site. Triela appeared in all her glory. She's actually a very talented girl...

Should go to see it!! :stroop:

by **boomer_gonz** Sat 27 Oct 2007 - 11:59

At your own discretion.

Personally, I found the Claes doujin's to be ...interesting in the least.

by **ElfenMagix** Sat 27 Oct 2007 - 20:24

Claes her her own or is this the TrielaXClaes one?

by Wileama Sat 27 Oct 2007 - 22:19

never did get around to nabbing those off tommy's server. I feel compelled to now. To bad the serve is down...

by Danjo3 Sun 28 Oct 2007 - 0:40

boomer_gonz wrote:Personally, I found the Claes doujin's to be ...interesting in the least.

You got that right. You would never know by looking at her.

by **Nachtsider** Sun 28 Oct 2007 - 3:51

The goldarned FTP server never works for me.

No reply from Yu as of today, everyone - his e-mail address is jewelbox@remus.dti.ne.jp in case anybody wants to try contacting him.

by **emperor** Sun 28 Oct 2007 - 5:20

Thank you! :jawa:

by Sintendo Sun 28 Oct 2007 - 14:05

Danjo3 wrote:
boomer_gonz wrote:Personally, I found the Claes doujin's to be ...interesting in the least.
You got that right. You would never know by looking at her.

Rule 34 guys.

Rule 34...

by Wileama Sun 28 Oct 2007 - 23:49

Nachtsider wrote:The goldarned FTP server never works for me.

No reply from Yu as of today, everyone - his e-mail address is jewelbox@remus.dti.ne.jp in case anybody wants to try contacting him.

I doubt Yu will respond to a few fanboys over a technical question. He probably can't decide himself.

Also I think I'm just never trying to access the server at the right time. I'll remember, but Tommy will have it off. When Tommy does have it on I tend to be asleep, or not thinking about it.

Sintendo wrote:Rule 34 guys.

Rule 34...

You sure that isn't rule 69?

Seriously though:
34) If you’re leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun.
Maybe you meant:
37) There is no "overkill". There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload."
Or
13) Do unto others.

No that's not right. Maybe we're looking at different lists...
\\Edited for spelling

by **ElfenMagix** Mon 29 Oct 2007 - 0:21

13a. (Do unto others) But do it first!

by Wileama Mon 29 Oct 2007 - 1:21

I think that's covered by:
27) Don't be afraid to be the first to resort to violence.

by Sintendo Mon 29 Oct 2007 - 1:23

Rules of the Internet:

34) There is porn of it, no exceptions

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Rules_Of_The_Internet

by Wileama Mon 29 Oct 2007 - 12:55

and suddenly everything makes sense....

by **ElfenMagix** Mon 29 Oct 2007 - 14:42

Its called the 'Ah ha!' Factor.

by **Nachtsider** Sat 10 Nov 2007 - 7:51

Encyclopedia Dramatica is a vulgar eyesore, and every person contributing to it is a first-class twit.

by Sintendo Sat 10 Nov 2007 - 12:40

Luckily, I don't contribute. I just love a good laugh now and then.

by **Nachtsider** Sat 10 Nov 2007 - 12:56

I'm not sure how anyone could find that tripe funny, Sin - it's grotesque at best and obscene at worst. The idiots running that sordid circus are the worst examples of what I call the 'YouTube generation' - a bunch of ill-mannered, buffoonish brats with too much time on their hands, drooling mindlessly over things like chatspeak, Internet memes, pop-culture references, Photoshop jobs, online videos and goodness knows what else. I can bet you all the money in the world to an old tire that virtually none of them have the guts to get out from behind their monitors and voice their crass opinions in person.

If *this* is the future of our world, I'll be moving myself and my family to the wilderness - or Mars - as soon as I can. I'm glad I was young when I was.

by LoC978 Sat 10 Nov 2007 - 12:58

I mostly just like the sarcastic articles... such as this one on your mom:

Encyclopedia Dramatica wrote:Your mom is widely used as the end-all-be-all of arguments on the Internets. Those victimized by it automatically lose whatever argument they were engaged in at the time, because they can't think of a more lulz-worthy comment, and therefore, labeled fucking retarded, because nothing they say or do can save them from losing the arguement This is called the Law of your mom. Arguing or failing to accept the, "The Law of your mom", will result in your dick being shuved into a malfunctioning blender. This is called the "Arguing 'your mom' will get your dick shuved into a malfunctioning blender clause", which was instated over a hundred years ago. This often leads to the unwitting destruction of the perpetuator of your mom, as it is a very dangerous weapon indeed. Its power is so great, none can contain it. Sarcasm aside "your mom" is an unfunny and unoriginal insult mainly used by 13 year old hentai fanboys who are being bullied by more lulz-worthy beings.

While I agree that the site is a vulgar eyesore, I believe in the right of idiots to create vulgar eyesores (it's a lot less damaging to society than forming religions, anyway). If they didn't have that activity to take up their time, just imagine how much more annoying they'd be... I'd probably be in jail for mass-murder by now!

by **Nachtsider** Sat 10 Nov 2007 - 13:05

You know what I feel should be done to take up these losers' time? Conscript the lot, and ship 'em to Iraq - front-line service, preferably house-to-house clearing jobs. We'll then see how their skills at scatological comedy and perpetuating Internet drama will help them against RPGs, sniper fire, and roadside bombs.

by LoC978 Sat 10 Nov 2007 - 13:15

... only if they form their own organization... otherwise they might get some good soldiers killed.

by Sintendo Sat 10 Nov 2007 - 13:20

I think of it like Fanfiction.net

There's an ocean of crap out there, you'll have to look for a while to find the gold.

... GSG section excluded, of course Wink

by LoC978 Sat 10 Nov 2007 - 13:58

Sintendo wrote:There's an ocean of crap out there, you'll have to look for a while to find the gold.

like this:
THE CYBORGS ARE GROWING! - Page 2 Bushnoread

by Wileama Sun 11 Nov 2007 - 16:48

Nachtsider wrote:You know what I feel should be done to take up these losers' time? Conscript the lot, and ship 'em to Iraq - front-line service, preferably house-to-house clearing jobs. We'll then see how their skills at scatological comedy and perpetuating Internet drama will help them against RPGs, sniper fire, and roadside bombs.

You know I can't speak to the army, but I think they would have the lifestyle down. Not the war fighting skills, just the army culture. I know a couple people in the dorms who read great philosophy, greek epics, things like that. I can tell you hands down we all make your crude jokes, slam back beer, and generally act like stupid shits. Very Happy

Anyway yeah there is a bunch of stupid stuff, but not unlike the Batman show of the 60's, some of it is funny.

by **Nachtsider** Sun 11 Nov 2007 - 16:51

Oh, all right. *sigh*

by Guest Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 1:40

Lol. I just recently posted on this topic.

We have to remember that the term 'cyborg' isn't what we'd think in typical pop culture. To us, 'cyborg' [in pop culture] commonly refers to a person who has mechanical and electronic engineering installed in their flesh (though the original definition stands as correct when referring to the girls).

The 'cyborgs' of Gunslinger Girl have no motors, mechanics, nor any type of machinery. In fact, its a wonder why the translators used the term 'cyborg' or 'machinery' for the words in Japanese refer to them as 'justice bodies'.

That aside, the girls muscles are replaced by carbon fibers, their bones reinforced/replaced by carbon frames. To give you an idea of what's being said, imagine if your bone structure was like a bicycle's frame, and your muscle fibers were thin, steel cables. You can simply imagine your weight and strength potential from this. The girls still retain several of their original flesh tissues (to help connect these non-flesh parts), I'm sure. You can imagine how difficult it would be to try and penatrate such a structured body. This also helps give the girls a natural immunity to certain toxins and disease (As these effect flesh, not carbon frames/fibers).

However, This means that the girl's structure is just about set, which is why the girls don't age very well. Unlike flesh and bones, the wiring and structure in the girls' body does not grow. This is why handlers (according to the Japanese side of things, you can't get this from the American literature) are possibly given two choices.

....One is to reduce the stress on the girl's body at the start by converting her body into a cyborg in its current state of age, or an age not too much older. While this gives the cyborg's new body not so much stress at the beginning, fractures amongst other problems persist as the cyborg grows.
....The second choice is to convert the girl's body into a more mature state of age. While this produces a great deal of stress at the beginning, the cyborg has "breathing room" to "grow into" her new body. This is why Jean said the younger the choice, the better.

Yes, the girls age, but they don't age like we do. Angelica revealed signs of flaws in this engineering when she began to physically break down as she grew up. The girls don't have that long to live because while their bodies are harder or as hard as steel, it doesn't grow with their body, and they will age out of their own body.

The second generation of cyborgs of whom (forget her name, its been awhile) is part of is a test that if the girls are forced to grow unnaturally into an older teenage body (when puberty is already surpassed, instead of the younger cyborgs trying to operate in their bodies during puberty). This was why her handler was so fascinated with her body (there's a scene when he takes close examination of her naked body), mumbling about longer legs, etc. I don't remember what theories I had revolving around the second generation cyborgs either, but if I remember correctly, they were lighter, faster, and had better livability than the other girls.

Whether or not the girls have an artifical heart is interesting. If they did, their heart muscles would no doubt be replaced with carbon frames, making their heart the toughest, most difficult spot to bring harm. If they don't, the girls have carbon frame plating around their ribcage, giving them a breastplate of steel (natural body armor)... but perhaps they even have both, making the common heart-target in a gunfight nearly invincible. Targeting the cranium would simply cause rickochetts most of the time.

The reason I believe the girls are most vulnerable (bodily speaking) in the side (where Angie was hit once by an AK-47 and Claes was stabbed by a knife) is because there is little carbon plating in that area (except what might be installed in the skin), and there aren't too many thick muscles in that area (like in the back). It's a good weakpoint in a knife fight.

I know someone said, "That's an interesting theory, one I didn't think about..."
Fact is, it isn't a theory. I read and interpreted what the Japanese are saying, not only on their own wikipedia article, but elsewhere, and this is [partly] how they described it.

The way I discovered this was during research on the second generation of cyborgs (in which, the only heavy information is in Japanese) when I came across some articles on them discussing the differences. It took some cross-references as well as deeper research into the carbon materials being discussed, and fitting some discussions and possibilities we already had (in which it was: "Now this makes perfect sense...").

by LoC978 Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 11:11

Colonel Marksman wrote:Fact is, it isn't a theory. I read and interpreted what the Japanese are saying, not only on their own wikipedia article, but elsewhere, and this is [partly] how they described it.

unless
1) Yu Aida personally wrote that wiki article
or
2) all Japanese people share a hive mind
... it's still a theory.

by **Nachtsider** Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 20:40

I wouldn't rule out the 'hive mind' hypothesis.

by Guest Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 21:51

Those Japanese are one crazy nation, anything is possible.

by **ElfenMagix** Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 22:17

Considering all the other cultures out there, I think the Japanese are the normal one. Look at the US as a whole.

On second thought, maybe you shouldn't.

by Guest Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 22:23

ElfenMagix wrote:Considering all the other cultures out there, I think the Japanese are the normal one. Look at the US as a whole.

On second thought, maybe you shouldn't.

Yeah, but that's a crazy I'm used to, it's not really, trully crazy anymore.

Crazy's not always bad, though. There is crazy and then there is crazy like a fox. It's hard to wrap your head around the Japanese if your from a western culture. Of course as I'm writing this there's a Japanese person writing something along the lines of:
"Those Europeans are frikin' nuts." or "Americans are just plain insane."

by Sintendo Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 23:00

ElfenMagix wrote:Considering all the other cultures out there, I think the Japanese are the normal one. Look at the US as a whole.

Well... even we Americans have our limits...

by **ElfenMagix** Thu 29 Nov 2007 - 23:33

:lol!:

by **Nachtsider** Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 1:20

I've given up on Yu replying to my e-mail. He definitely ain't no Lovecraft.

by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 1:49

The reason its not a theory is because the Japanese can read Volumes 1-9... we can read Vol. 1-4. We can't perceive what their discussing anything past Vol. 5+ because we can't read it.

The reason why what I've posted isn't a theory is because these explainations are clear in volumes above 4, which the Japanese can discuss and post in articles. Obviously, they're going to know more about 2nd Generation cyborgs than we do (where the differences in the two generations gives a lot more info on the 1st).

The Japanese read all the manga, know all the information and much of the sciences discussed in the manga, and then discuss amongst themselves what it has to say, and then post articles on it (I've found more than one reference that supported my beliefs, as well as forums that further discuss these 'theories'). You're saying that their information are theories just as good as ours, despite them having 100% out of 100% of the information while we have 4/9ths the information.

I researched their theories, too, when I read up about carbon fibers and carbon frames (something they were tossing ideas about). Several months ago, I peiced together this information about the cyborgs right as volume 7 came out.

I also found it interesting that the term for the "machineries" or "cyborgs" is correctly interpreted "justice bodies". "Jean's" original name was actually "John", nicknamed "Jan". "Rabello's" interpreted name was misspelled. There's a distinction between "carbon frames" and "carbon fibers"; as well as between "conditioning process", and "conditioning drugs". I found the name of the drug (and the word conditioning was also interpreted differently), and amongst other things, I have since lost the document, and the screwed up FF.net GSG forum won't let me access my post on it.

It might be on my grandparent's laptop.

by LoC978 Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 1:58

err.. we have 2/3rds of the information (through volume 6), and Totoum has 8/9ths of it (in French). If there's something in volume nine that specifically mentions how the girls age, then it's canon. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, in fact it sounds quite plausible. If it is indeed Yu Aida's word on the matter, so much the better.

by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 23:27

Their age is still under discussion.

It would've been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier if Panzer VI simply asked Yu Aida about it. I think he forgot to.

by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 23:28

Their age is still under discussion.

It would've been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier if Panzer VI simply asked Yu Aida about it. I think he forgot to.

by **Nachtsider** Fri 30 Nov 2007 - 23:28

I've e-mailed Yu a couple times, requesting that he clarify a few issues of contention like the one we're discussing here. The guy never replied.

by **ElfenMagix** Mon 3 Dec 2007 - 19:09

Colonel Marksman wrote:Their age is still under discussion.

It would've been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier if Panzer VI simply asked Yu Aida about it. I think he forgot to.

3 things are definate...
-Ricco joined the SWA at 11 and was there for 2 years, as stated in Episode 3: Ragazzo.
-Elizabetta was 16 when she became Petrushka; In Vol 6, Chptr 30, pg 90.
- Angie is the oldest cyborg but one of the younger girls of the lot, since she was the first and was cyborg'd at an early age.

by **Tommygunner70** Sat 29 Dec 2007 - 21:47

Colonel Marksman wrote:Their age is still under discussion.

It would've been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier if Panzer VI simply asked Yu Aida about it. I think he forgot to.

About that; i dont even want to count how many times i have been lied too by him, and a person claiming that he was Panzer's brother.

keeping that in mind, i doubt that he even met Aida-sama as he claimed at one point.

Yu Aida meeting a 16 year old fan boy, just so the kid can give his Fan fic to him?

I would say that the chances of that happening are a total zero.
maybe is just a kid wanting to be cool...

by **Nachtsider** Sat 29 Dec 2007 - 22:47

I sent Yu a couple e-mails. He apparently hasn't bothered replying.

by **ElfenMagix** Sun 30 Dec 2007 - 0:01

You're probably in his spam box

by **Nachtsider** Sun 30 Dec 2007 - 0:08

And I marked them with 'From a Devoted Fan'. Sheesh.

by **ElfenMagix** Sun 30 Dec 2007 - 0:17

by **Nachtsider** Sun 30 Dec 2007 - 0:28

What the hell does he put that e-mail address on his blog for, then?

by **Tommygunner70** Sun 30 Dec 2007 - 6:00

One question Nachtsider, what language did you use in the letter?

'cos, chances are that Aida-sama does not know english...
at least thats what i am seeing...

by **Nachtsider** Sun 30 Dec 2007 - 6:16

Considering that Yu's anime and manga have been translated into English by ADV Manga and FUNimation, I think it stands to reason that either he or someone closely associated with him must know the language in order to make an agreement with said companies for adaptation/distribution rights and the like. In any event, the English I used was *very* plain and to-the-point.

by **Tommygunner70** Sun 30 Dec 2007 - 6:35

well i can base that point of mine in one simple thing.

If you see the translations of ADV, would you say they are good or crap compaired to our own?

Because the way i look at it, if Aida-sama really could understand english, then i believe that the translations would be a whole lot better...

by Wileama Mon 31 Dec 2007 - 0:38

Just, because someone translated his anime, doesn't mean someone translates his email. How much time does he have to answer email anyway? Sure maybe he could spit out automatic responses to everyone, but I doubt he has the time, or money to reply to every email he receives. Besides some artists just plan old don't like to hand out answers.

by **Nachtsider** Mon 31 Dec 2007 - 2:36

Where I come from, people normally put e-mail addresses on their blogs if they wish to be contacted.

by Guest Tue 1 Jan 2008 - 21:11

Maybe he got bored to answer 100 e-mail everyday

And he is too lazy to erase his e-mail from the blog, even though I hope that I am wrong...

by Wileama Wed 2 Jan 2008 - 5:53

Yeah I'm with Alados on this one. Maybe this will help, there is developer commentary for Portal. In which one of the big developers says here's my email if you want to leave input about the game. Input. I'm willing to bet how Mr. Yu Aida treats his mail from his blog. He's trying to get a sense of how people feel about his work. You can't honestly expect him to reply to all the email he gets. It would be a job unto itself, if not several. He isn't you, or me. He gets to much email to be able to respond like that.

by **Nachtsider** Wed 2 Jan 2008 - 6:02

Oh, alright... *sigh*

by Wileama Wed 2 Jan 2008 - 6:22

I'm sorry to crush your hope of a reply. Razz

by tanyalilac Wed 29 Jul 2009 - 9:19

Um... just a question - if the cyborgs aren't physically capable of growing... why does Triela's hair keep growing? Her body appears to capable of producing new cells of its own... perhaps this has something to do with the fact that her hair is from her "old body", whereas the cybernetic implants, while accepted by, are still "unnatural"... Random thought - do they have bone marrow? My "unnatural" idea would be shot down if they were able to keep producing blood cells in cybernetic implants.

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