Idea and concept generation

So, I've been thinking of this lately. Since, in volume 4, Mrs. Hartmann was trying to get Hillshire to come back home to see her, has anyone ever thought of a fic where Hillshire has a homecoming... and Triela tags along. If not, I think I want to try to tackle it.

I remember we spent some time on the topic, but I have no idea whether someone actually wrote a fic. If someone did it would still be entertaining to see anotehr take on it, so it doesn't matter much.

sasahara17 did bring up the concept early on in the thread I believe. He's pretty good about letting people write about things that he's come up with, especially in this thread. However you might want to drop him a line first.

We only touched on that here for fun.
Now if you want to poke it with a stick, well, ask Sasahara17.

We talked about it a looong time ago (in a different thread, if my memory isn't deceiving me). I think it was Danjo who brought it up (or at least he was the first to post a 'skit' [is that the term you use in theater to indicate a very short "play"]).

*Grumbles* I know what a skit is...

Erm, sorry. My assholeish side was coming out, but fear not. I pushed it back. I'm a nice guy again. Sure, I'll have to drop him a line if he doesn't show up here. If I did write it, I'd be sure to give you all credit for thinking of it before myself. I kinda had a feeling I wasn't the first person to think of it.

A good set of ideas, here...I might as well chip in.

Now, a while back, sasahara made mention of Hank J. Wimbleton from the Madness series. Him as an instructor, a handler, what have you, would be good and all...but what about applying all the principles of Madness to Gunslinger Girl, making it a cross-over, essentially.

For viewers of the Madness Combat series, you'll know that crazy stuff happens- zombification, a crazy stop sign-wielding clown, buildings falling from the sky, all due to the effects of the Improbability Drive. And of course, we have the characters; Hank, Tricky, the 1337 Crew and a whole host of others.

Now, what would be the outcome of crossing the two over?

Set it 'somewhere in Nevada', give each outstanding character (Hank, The Savior, Tricky, Sheriff and the Mystery Man) a Girl each, implement the Crew and the advanced agents and let the fun begin!

Well, it might not be as simple as that, but implementing Madness into GSG is what I'm getting at.

I've never seen any of the Madness stuff so I'm kinda running blind here (or at the very least all foggy eyed), but it sounds like a good idea. I'd give it a read.

This just in - I've gotten Person's approval, the Handsome Men are coming to play Combat Missions, and the madness can now begin in earnest. Get ready for a wild, wild ride.

Maxwell, Panzer and the Colonel have hopped on board - this just gets better and better!

To everyone on the forum - I'm looking for an impartial observer (preferably one who does not possess any OCs) willing to take a close look at every OC in the Gunslinger Girl fandom and pick the ultimate operative among the lot by properly evaluating their strengths and weaknesses as displayed in the field and elsewhere (i.e. in the stories they star in). Anyone who's interested should contact me via e-mail or a PM - the conclusions they draw will be instrumental in the development of my Combat Missions fic. Thanks in advance...

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My only thought is that not all OC's are balanced. Some are simply stronger then they should be, while others my be meeker, but are better fleshed out as characters. So I would encourage judges to take a holistic view of a character, and not just combat skill.

Oh, and I think a judgment like this you might be better off with a panel of judges. I realize you might have trouble scrounging up that many people, but it would help get a balanced opinion. You know like boxing.

...I imagine combat skill is what will matter for the purposes of that slot in the Combat Missions story. I'd call it a tossup between Liesel and Giuseppe (but I have an OC... she's just not terribly effective when compared to the stage 1 girls)... talking canon, Rico and Triela are right up there, too.

If we're talking combat mission then the way the teams end up is pretty important too. I don't think there would be any major problems with the girls / other char's team work, but some will do better then others. Elsa for example would be likely to get her team killed is she tries to please her handler too much, Henrietta even more so.

Actually, I think Elsa would go out and do the task appointed to her. So long as Lauro wills it, she'd do it.

Oh, and I don't think I could be impartial observer. I'm not to terribly good at evaluating things. And My OC's probably can't get used since there are no action scenes... although Nero should be getting his time to shine pretty soon.

The catch to this story is that the handlers end up play very small-to-nonexistent roles. It's the cyborg-cyborg dynamic that's the primary focus of my fic, as it is with many of my other yarns - I feel that enough has been said about the cyborg-handler dynamic in canon already.

Wil's suggestion makes a whole lot of sense - I'm increasing my volunteer team of knowledgable impartial observers to two or more. Anyone who wants to have a crack at it should contact me via a PM or by e-mail.

Great idea, but I'm not impartial.

I'd like to help, but I'm quite busy at the moment. Chack back in a week and I'll see what I can do.

P.S. Does anyone have the refrence to the guy who can do the British accent thing? I suck at it.

Also, I'm considering posting my story here as a thread as well as on FF.net. Full explanation on the Character Copyright thread, along with a gigantic wall of text.

If you're willing to lend a hand, Sasahara, I'm equally willing to wait. Not sure who the 'guy who can do the British accent thing' is, though.

Also, I'm considering posting my story here as a thread as well as on FF.net. Full explanation on the Character Copyright thread, along with a gigantic wall of text.

Very welcome!!

Uuuhhmm...

just a suggestion...

Since most of the OCs were all (or mostly) unbalanced...

why not check their statistics instead and see what they're good at rather than rummaging through piles of fanfics and have a hard time deciding?

Because, since it is your fic Nacht-sen, you should be the one judging who would win the whole competition (either from the original, or the OCs)

Thing is, Panzer, stats can be vague - the same way a prospective employee's resume doesn't really tell their boss how he or she will actually perform on the job. It's actual combat performance that will matter here, which is why an in-depth study is required. While the winner's identity I've actually already determined right from the very start (big spoiler there), a long and torturous series of battles will have to be fought before a champ can be declared, and a thorough evaluation will have to be conducted for me to determine how the other participants are eliminated from the competition.

And who do you intend to have to participate in this said competition?

Goodness gracious, Nile - haven't you heard?

im pretty slow in the news...

Alrighty, then - here's my original post.

Nachtsider wrote:Having the girls do reality television would be a blast. I've presently got an idea to put them all on a Combat Missions-type thingus - a competition that would also include a slew of OCs, just for jolly. I'd have to obtain permission from other authors to get this one off the ground, though - Person's Handsome Men just have to be in.

Yeah, i know that. my question was who's OCs are participating? (im not slow in the news after all im just misunderstood)

Whoops - sorry 'bout the mix-up, Nile. Those who've signed up thus far comprise:

• Nachtsider
  
• Sheo Darren
  
• Sintendo
  
• LoC978
  
• ElfenMagix
  
• Person With Many Aliases
  
• Maxwell's Daemon
  
• Colonel Marksman
  
• Panzer IV
  

sign up list still open?

Of course it is. The only worry I have, though, is that managing such an enormous cast might prove problematic.

so.... are you saying.... that i should.... sit this one out?

It'll be daunting, Nile. But I'm not turning anyone away.

*turns fake frown upside down*
den would you mind signing me up? :face:

Up and at 'em, Nile. Welcome to the club.

Yay! now wat?

Wait for me to write the story and publish it on Fanfiction.net, of course.

Hai

And don't worry - I'll explicitly state whose characters belong to whom. Credit will be fully offered where credit is due.

Sounds like a good story in the making. Can't wait till you write it.

Thanks, U. This baby's epic, though - it might be a while before chocks are away and the whole shebang gets off the ground.

It's okay. All great things take time to lift off the ground smoothly.

The trouble with me is that I have all the ideas but I don't write them down or rather i'm writing it in my head from beginning to end. XD

Any one of us would be more than willing to help you flesh them out, U.

Thanks for the support but I rather do some rough drafts first and flesh them out a bit before I start posting them anywhere my grammatical skills aren't that great but rest assured I will post them within the next couple of months provided I don't get sidetracked. XD

So I came up with a new idea the other day. This one revolves around Elsa being resurrected by the agency after her murder/suicide. Basically, the Agency wants to try a new experimental proceedure to see if they can bring the dead back to life, and use the newly deceased Elsa as their test subject. Granted, it's a lot more complicated then that, but I don't want to give too much away. So what do you all think?

Bringing back the dead is a wonderful concept, Probit - I've long supported any form of research geared towards achieving that goal. Such a measure would ensure that the talent of highly skilled operatives who fall in battle would never go to waste. However, Elsa was by no means a highly skilled operative, and there comes the question of what the Agency would do with her after the resurrection. What would result once they demand answers as to what went down in the park? What would happen when she returns to her comrades - how would she interact with them this time round? Bringing her back to life would also serve to deaden the emotional impact of her canonical demise somewhat, but I'm still curious as to what direction this will take.

I'm going to use the cliche use of memory loss to get past the agency demanding reasons for her actions, and there will be people who don't support the idea, so it will be one of those touchy issues within the agency.

As for the emotional impact of her demise, I have that all planned out so that the reader will hopefully feel at least something.

Is Elsa going to be the first member of a zombie army that walks the Earth? If yes I approve. If no I probably still approve, if not quite as excitedly. Memory loss works, if not to be expected. Cell death in the brain is one of those major hang ups for bring back the dead. Any idea how your going to counter that?

You know something? Bringing Elsa back from the dead makes Bride of Frankenstein leap to mind - the actress who played the Bride was Elsa Lanchester...

Wil wrote:Cell death in the brain is one of those major hang ups for bringing back the dead.

especially with someone who took a 9mm to the eye. There would be some major brain damage issues to deal with.

I've actually got an idea that might just circumvent the problems that Wil and LoC mention. This thing's culled from a science fiction thingus I cooked up back in fourth grade just for kicks - seeing as I'm not really going to use it anymore, anyone's free to help themselves to the idea... as long as I get credit for it, of course.

COPYCAT was a program dating from the late 1990s based on theoretical research with regards to implanting human brain functions onto silicon. According to official files, the project was closed after little more than a month and never reopened – studies were allegedly abandoned due to the sheer complexity of the human brain and its immense data processing capabilities.

In truth, however, COPYCAT was amended and merged with a new program known as REPLICANTH – following advances in dispensation facilities and seventh-generation miniaturization techniques, the venture was revitalized and its focus shifted. Six billion human brains are extant on Earth, identical in all respects bar the knowledge and experiences contained. Therefore, why reproduce the entire brain when all that was desired was the data contained within?

Successful trials resulted in REPLICANTH microchips – each but three centimeters square – being implanted into the best international espionage and special warfare agents. In the event that any of these operatives were terminated, their entire brain functions would be automatically transferred to the chips. After dispatching a Special Operations team to recover the chip, the operative could be reconstituted in whole with a different body...

@LOC: Ha, I can't believe I missed that!

@Nachtsider: That sounds pretty cool.

Ya know, with all these questions, you're going to make me end up giving everything away (thought the bulk of everything mentioned will be in the first chapter). Let's just say I have an answer for the, uh, how to put it, major brain damage to quote LoC. Think Reverse Liquid Snake... yeah, that won't make sence 'til you read the first chapter, which I will hopefully have up either today or tomorrow, since my weekdays are shot to hell for the next three weeks.

Another tack that I feel might be worth exploring - if the Agency were to carry on its duties into the next fifty years or more, what would it end up evolving into? What advances in technology would have worked their magic on cyborg development, and what sort of operations would the Agency find themselves thrust into?

In short, I'd like to see a fic providing a 'Futureal' take on Gunslinger Girl. There actually are a few floating around Fanfiction.net, but I think it's safe to say that all have handled the subject in a less-than-satisfactory manner.

While that sounds like a good idea, you'd have to find something that is advanced even for the future. Full on AI robot assassins maybe? I'm drawing a blank.

If the future is post-apocalyptic, nothing needs to have advanced all that much.

Touche, but if the future is post-apocalyptic, then would the agency still exist?

It's thus the job of us heroic fanfic writers to cook up a plausible explanation. Perhaps our post-apocalyptic Italy sees criminal elements rise to power, and the Agency is the only law-enforcement outfit left to police the place. In such a rough, lawless environment, I don't think there'd be any other organization more cut out for the job anyway.

SWA apocalypse!!: all the SWA needs is a ambitious new leader, then he would try to use the SWA for other purposes. and someone will realize it and take the SWA down. that's almost how my version of the SWA is going to end.

*Lorenzo dies
*Someone who handles a 3rd gen cyborg take command
*He wishes to turn the SWA into Italies own inteligence agency (like the CIA and MI6)
*He makes ties with the Mafia to take out the Padania
*Corruption insues
*My OC comes in and blows up the SWA and saves the girls

West Nile wrote:*My OC comes in and blows up the SWA and saves the girls

Your OC wouldn’t happen to be named Mary-Sue would she?

Danjo3, ladies, gentlemen and neuters - never failing to chip in with a barb or two whenever talk of OCs surfaces on the board.