ADV representative admits they made a mistake in Manga market... Gunslinger Girl vol. 7 in 2009?

by Sintendo Fri 30 May 2008 - 2:54

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36891

Sigh... looks like my prediction of a 2 year hiatus between bursts of releases is coming true...

2003: Volume 1
2005: Volume 2, 3
2007: Volume 4, 5, 6
2009: Volume ????

by **Nachtsider** Fri 30 May 2008 - 2:58

by sasahara17 Fri 30 May 2008 - 3:57

WTF man, WTF...

by West Nile Fri 30 May 2008 - 4:34

it's times like this that i say THANK YOU TOMMY!!!

by Wileama Fri 30 May 2008 - 12:36

This is a great note to leave on just before bed...

by Guest Fri 30 May 2008 - 17:53

ADV Manga sucks.

by **Triela** Fri 30 May 2008 - 19:37

I'll get in contact with Alexandra from ADV. I'll tell you the outcome. ^_~

by Danjo3 Sat 31 May 2008 - 4:44

Is it just me or does it sometimes seem that every thing about GSG is a waiting game? bang head

by Guest Sat 31 May 2008 - 7:11

Is it just me or does it sometimes seem that every thing about GSG is a waiting game?

Not here--manga came out once a month.

Lost track of it though; haven't been reading anything manga-related except textbooks and more textbooks after I entered highschool T_T

by sasahara17 Sat 31 May 2008 - 8:35

Panzer, how I envy you...

by Danjo3 Sat 31 May 2008 - 9:45

sasahara17 wrote:Panzer, how I envy you...

Ditto.

by Sintendo Sat 31 May 2008 - 9:55

Danjo3 wrote:
sasahara17 wrote:Panzer, how I envy you...
Ditto.

I don't.

:lollol: IB

by **ElfenMagix** Sat 31 May 2008 - 15:15

West Nile wrote:it's times like this that i say THANK YOU TOMMY!!!

Yes... I have to agree- Thank You, Tommy!

by **Triela** Sun 1 Jun 2008 - 17:48

Well I just sent an e-mail to adv saying:

Dear Alexandra

My friends on the Gunslinger Girl forum has been
asking each other about the relies of the 7th volume
of the manga and I told them I would e-mail you again.
I'm sorry if I'm pestering you, but the second season
of the anime is going to be dubbed by Funimation and
is coming out in 2009, so we're all hyped up for more
Gunslinger Girl.

We're not asking for a definite relies date, we just
want to make sure it is coming out sometime. (soon, we
hope!) ^_^

Thank you for your time.

by **ElfenMagix** Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 14:59

Triela, well put, and civillaly done too! :face:
(And my spelling sux too!)

by **Tommygunner70** Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 16:26

West Nile wrote:it's times like this that i say THANK YOU TOMMY!!!

ElfenMagix wrote:Yes... I have to agree- Thank You, Tommy!

*Bows* I aim to please.

But seriously, You'd think that ADV could actually learn something from us all. (Speaking as a group here)

We get the Japanese scans and have all the dialog translated within a weeks time. then we scanlate them raws in less then 2 to 3 hours?
Meaning that in a 5 chapter volume, we'd have spent at least a 35 days and about 15 hours total.

So seriously: why the fuck does ADV take over 2 years for one fucking volume?

by KodokuRyuu Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 17:30

Actually, I've gotten where I can transcribe and translate a chapter in 2 days - it's just when I have trouble with a Japanese phrase I don't know that it takes longer. ADV should have professional translators so it shouldn't take them more than 1-2 hours to translate a chapter, maybe a little longer if they have to look up some Italian stuff.

by Sintendo Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 18:36

Tommygunner70 wrote:
West Nile wrote:it's times like this that i say THANK YOU TOMMY!!!
ElfenMagix wrote:Yes... I have to agree- Thank You, Tommy!

*Bows* I aim to please.

But seriously, You'd think that ADV could actually learn something from us all. (Speaking as a group here)

We get the Japanese scans and have all the dialog translated within a weeks time. then we scanlate them raws in less then 2 to 3 hours?
Meaning that in a 5 chapter volume, we'd have spent at least a 35 days and about 15 hours total.

So seriously: why the fuck does ADV take over 2 years for one fucking volume?

There's only 3 things I can think of:

1) Liscensing issues. You can't just take the manga, translate it, and release it like we can. People in funny black suits get really angry when people do that...

2) Money. You gotta pay people to translate and clean this stuff up. Again, those funny guys in the black suits...

3) There ALWAYS has to be a "number" 3 when it comes to lists.

by KodokuRyuu Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 21:22

Sintendo wrote:There's only 3 things I can think of:

1) Liscensing issues. You can't just take the manga, translate it, and release it like we can. People in funny black suits get really angry when people do that...

2) Money. You gotta pay people to translate and clean this stuff up. Again, those funny guys in the black suits...

3) There ALWAYS has to be a "number" 3 when it comes to lists.

They've already done 6 volumes, you'd think they'd have it worked out by now...
This is what they do, they can't make money if they don't pay their translators and they can't pay their translators if they don't license series.
It's got to be number three.

by **ElfenMagix** Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 21:28

Most of the translations are done mechanically, then humanly checked for gramattical/cultural errors.

by Wileama Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 21:47

If that's the case, why does bablefish suck so much? My understanding was machines are crap at translation. Why do you think the Military still uses human translators. No humans are still at the core of translation. I imagine it would be easier for the to start from scratch then correct the stupid machine.

by KodokuRyuu Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 21:53

Babelfish is free, so it's the worse than the stuff you pay for. To my knowledge, none of it's all that great though. I use babelfish for GSG mainly when I need a boost of confidence (aka "haha I can translate better than you"). Razz

by Sintendo Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 22:04

KodokuRyuu wrote:
Sintendo wrote:There's only 3 things I can think of:

1) Liscensing issues. You can't just take the manga, translate it, and release it like we can. People in funny black suits get really angry when people do that...

2) Money. You gotta pay people to translate and clean this stuff up. Again, those funny guys in the black suits...

3) There ALWAYS has to be a "number" 3 when it comes to lists.

They've already done 6 volumes, you'd think they'd have it worked out by now...
This is what they do, they can't make money if they don't pay their translators and they can't pay their translators if they don't license series.
It's got to be number three.

1) Concerning printed work, I think it's done on a volume-by-volume basis. Case in point: The Kino no Tabi novels were liscensed, volume 1 released, but then trouble began brewing and volume 2 was never released.

2) Right. The ADV representative said that they were concentrating their efforts on anime, rather than manga. Seeing as how the anime market is in a slump in the US, I can see why almost nothing is going toward the manga sector of their market.

3) Bong hit

by Sakura Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 22:08

I think it's mainly the licensing issue. It doesn't cost much to translate manga, which is why so much manga is brought over compared to anime series. I bet Volumes 7+ have been translated, but working the issues over the licensing can take time. I think since Il Teatrino has been licensed and is now coming over next year, it would be smart to release the next books then (if they really are being released).

I'm still waiting for those KINO NOVELS! bang head

by KodokuRyuu Mon 2 Jun 2008 - 22:35

Sintendo wrote:
KodokuRyuu wrote:
Sintendo wrote:There's only 3 things I can think of:

1) Liscensing issues. You can't just take the manga, translate it, and release it like we can. People in funny black suits get really angry when people do that...

2) Money. You gotta pay people to translate and clean this stuff up. Again, those funny guys in the black suits...

3) There ALWAYS has to be a "number" 3 when it comes to lists.

They've already done 6 volumes, you'd think they'd have it worked out by now...
This is what they do, they can't make money if they don't pay their translators and they can't pay their translators if they don't license series.
It's got to be number three.

1) Concerning printed work, I think it's done on a volume-by-volume basis. Case in point: The Kino no Tabi novels were liscensed, volume 1 released, but then trouble began brewing and volume 2 was never released.

2) Right. The ADV representative said that they were concentrating their efforts on anime, rather than manga. Seeing as how the anime market is in a slump in the US, I can see why almost nothing is going toward the manga sector of their market.

3)

That makes more sense.

Sintendo wrote:3)

I still blame it on number three though. Laughing

by **Tommygunner70** Tue 3 Jun 2008 - 2:21

KodokuRyuu wrote:Babelfish is free, so it's the worse than the stuff you pay for.

Simply put: "You get what you pay for."

by **ElfenMagix** Thu 5 Jun 2008 - 14:22

UN Translators get paid $200/hour, and must have a Masters degree in comminication in the second language. Same applies if you want a job with the CIA or FBI- if you state you are bilingual- you must have a masters in that other language. Being born a native speaker is not good enough for them on that!

Now they are seeing the mistakes in this policy with Arabic, because you cant learn the language totally in school. You have to have been grown up in its environment to understand all the eunances of the language.

Personally, I'm a native Spanish speaker/writer, and the crap that is taught in school is barely enough to keep me from starving in some Spanish speaking country! I have learned snippets of other languages through friends and necessity; at least if I crash land anywhere on the planet, I can at least ask for food, shelter and directions in the basics of human tongues!

BTW, war time translators in the field (according to my friend who is a civilian medical instructor in Iraq) makes anywhere from $1500 - $2500 an hour! As a medical instructor- he only gets $1200/hour! He's pissed that his 'service translator boy' makes more money than he does!

by KodokuRyuu Thu 5 Jun 2008 - 21:28

I need to change degree plans. -_- Seriously though - getting a masters in languages wouldn't do all that much for me. The stuff for a bachelors would teach me enough to learn a language at probably 2-3 times my current rate, but I'm more of a do it myself, hands-on type of guy. Plus I don't think I could bare to sit through all those beginning classes. Maybe I should try to clep my way through a degree...

by **Triela** Thu 12 Jun 2008 - 13:34

... >_<

Reply from ADV:

Unfortunately, I do not have any updates at this time about volume 7 of
Gunslinger Girl.

Sincerely,
Alexandra Bentlif

I sent a message back thanking her for the info but... I'm upset...

by **Nachtsider** Thu 12 Jun 2008 - 13:58

by **Tommygunner70** Thu 12 Jun 2008 - 15:39

Mother fuckers!!!! I should fucking buy the goddamn rights to translate GSG to English!!!!

by Sintendo Thu 12 Jun 2008 - 16:55

lol @ Nacht's replies.

This has got to be the least amount of words you've written in ANY topic, man.

by **Nachtsider** Thu 12 Jun 2008 - 16:57

Never thought I'd outdo myself in that department...

by **ElfenMagix** Thu 12 Jun 2008 - 17:37

Thumbs to to Triela, for trying. Its not her or her friend's fault that ADV is a company full of Triad boys who think they can make legal moneys for their illegal activities! :face:

Thumbs up, MegaPoints and Internets to Natchsider for possibly having the shortest forum answer anywhere that makes sense! Beats "D'OH!" by 1 character! :lol!:

by Thanatos Tue 24 Jun 2008 - 16:01

Wow, i know from experience that publishers usually take a long time to translate, copy and release a full volume from japanese to english but these guys really push it to retarded levels. This unnecessary amount of time that they take to make a single volume just boost internet piracy of the manga.

by **Tommygunner70** Tue 24 Jun 2008 - 16:18

Death to ADV!

If I had the cash, I would have gone into business with that together with Kodoku. pity we cant get hold of no damn license and what not...

ElfenMagix wrote:Thumbs up, MegaPoints and Internets to Natchsider for possibly having the shortest forum answer anywhere that makes sense! Beats "D'OH!" by 1 character! :lol!:

Oh, I might have one that's 3 letters, maybe even 2, but I'd be using Dutch for both of them Razz

by West Nile Wed 25 Jun 2008 - 7:31

Tommygunner70 wrote:
ElfenMagix wrote:Thumbs up, MegaPoints and Internets to Natchsider for possibly having the shortest forum answer anywhere that makes sense! Beats "D'OH!" by 1 character! :lol!:

Oh, I might have one that's 3 letters, maybe even 2, but I'd be using Dutch for both of them

No

by **Tommygunner70** Wed 25 Jun 2008 - 7:57

West Nile wrote:
Tommygunner70 wrote:
ElfenMagix wrote:Thumbs up, MegaPoints and Internets to Natchsider for possibly having the shortest forum answer anywhere that makes sense! Beats "D'OH!" by 1 character! :lol!:

Oh, I might have one that's 3 letters, maybe even 2, but I'd be using Dutch for both of them

No

A.....

by West Nile Wed 25 Jun 2008 - 22:51

by Guest Thu 26 Jun 2008 - 22:18

They better be using that money to make the Evangelion live action.
> : (

by **Tommygunner70** Fri 27 Jun 2008 - 2:44

Soha Brote wrote:They better be using that money to make the Evangelion live action.
> : (

Turn Evangelion into life action?

If they are, then I seriously hope that they do a better Job then they did with the Live action series of "You're underarrest"

by **Nachtsider** Fri 27 Jun 2008 - 3:10

I don't think any of us should hold our breath on this one, Tommy.

Evangelion is best left as it is.

by **Tommygunner70** Fri 27 Jun 2008 - 9:24

Nachtsider wrote:Evangelion is best left as it is.

Agreed, I never understood the point of having so many remakes, while the only differance is the end. its an endless stream of "Open endings" or better yet as per my reaction. "Errr.... to be continued?"

by Guest Fri 27 Jun 2008 - 11:28

The Evangelion live action has been in development hell for years. If they do make it, I'm expecting a Transformers type summer blockbuster extravaganza. Possibly with Shia LaBeouf.

It will be awesome.

by **Tommygunner70** Fri 27 Jun 2008 - 16:15

Right, reminds me of Microsoft wanting to do a Movie of their "Mechwarrior" games, which could just be a life action of the old american cartoon's from back in the day named "BattleTech."

by KodokuRyuu Fri 27 Jun 2008 - 18:09

Tommygunner70 wrote:Death to ADV!

If I had the cash, I would have gone into business with that together with Kodoku. pity we cant get hold of no damn license and what not...

Amen to that! Hmm... now you've got me wondering what it takes to get hold of a license... Or at least what it would take to infiltrate ADV. Very Happy

by **Nachtsider** Fri 27 Jun 2008 - 21:07

Soha Brote wrote:I'm expecting a Transformers type summer blockbuster extravaganza. Possibly with Shia LaBeouf.

It will be awesome.

Bay's Transformers movie was a disgrace.

by Guest Fri 27 Jun 2008 - 21:53

Nachtsider wrote:
Soha Brote wrote:I'm expecting a Transformers type summer blockbuster extravaganza. Possibly with Shia LaBeouf.

It will be awesome.
Bay's Transformers movie was a disgrace.

Tch, you are obviously not a fan of mindless action flicks.

If you never allow yourself to mentally process beyond the fact that giant CGI robots are on screen, they are very enjoyable.

by Sakura Fri 27 Jun 2008 - 23:03

Soha Brote wrote:The Evangelion live action has been in development hell for years. If they do make it, I'm expecting a Transformers type summer blockbuster extravaganza. Possibly with Shia LaBeouf.

It will be awesome.

I'm a bit weary when it comes to live action. I heard they're making a live action Dragonball movie with American actors that's to be released sometime next year. Chow-Yun Fat as Master Roshi? I don't know what to think.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see what's so great about Shia LaBeouf. During the Transformers movie I was hoping for either Bumblebee, Megatron, Optimus Prime or some other Autobot to step on him. He didn't impress me in Indiana Jones either.

by **Nachtsider** Fri 27 Jun 2008 - 23:33

Soha Brote wrote:Tch, you are obviously not a fan of mindless action flicks.

If you never allow yourself to mentally process beyond the fact that giant CGI robots are on screen, they are very enjoyable.

I don't mean to be rude, Soha, but your post seems to indicate that you aren't very familiar with the Transformers mythos, along with why many fans considered the Bay movie a letdown. The Transformers saga is a deep, well-written and intelligent one, and is hardly something that can be done justice via a 'mindless action flick'. Hence my previous post. It's not the special effects that myself and countless fans had any problem with - they were good. It was the way they handled the storyline.

That script had plot holes big enough for a convoy of Decepticons or Autobots to move through, and mischaracterized many faces familiar to fans. Hell, they didn't even get the usual writer for Transformers, Simon Furman, to write or at least take a look at it. Why things turned out this way is totally beyond me - with him at the helm, the flick would definitely have been a success. Take Nolan's Batman flicks and the recent Iron Man movie, for instance. They're proof positive that a slam-bang action film can be smart, well-written and respectful of the source material.

At least the present Transformers animated series makes up for Bay's movie. With strong scripts, excellent characterization and a coherent plot, along with all the homages that send fans jumping for joy, the show is love.

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