My idea ; How to kill a cyborg...

1.Add poison in their food.

2.Make them be as Itai-Itai syndrome that it cause from Cadmium,because this syndrome can break skeleton from the inside with pain.

So,even Gen 2 should devastrate very quickly!!

Include Petra!!

To poison them, you have to get that close to them, which means having to deal with their food source directly and or their handlers. I'm pretty sure that their sense of smell and tastes are trained to sense things that should not be there like: bitter almonds, metallic, or bitter/chalky tastes. :bounce:

Except for Henrietta... damn her for throwing monkey wrenches into theories!

As a Padania agent, how would you go about doing this? :twisted:

1. snipe the handler. sure, the cyborg is alive... but she's next to useless now.

I wonder is that what Elsa thought after she realized that she had killed Lauro?

Elsa di Sica wrote:Uh Oh... now you dont it, girl...
How are you going to get home?
Your little feet cant reach the pedals on his LandRover...

Wait... Lauro is dead now. What am I supposed to do?
Wait... Lauro is dead, I failed in my mission to protect him.
Wait... Lauro is dead and it is my fault, I pulled the trigger!
Error!
Error!
Option: Failure, must self termninate!
*BANG!*

Error!
Error!
Option: Failure, must self termninate!
*BANG!*

Remind me Terminator 2

One can always trick the cyborg into doing something in thiknking that she is saving her handler... like jumping in front of a train?

How to kill a cyborg. Interesting question.



Assuming a cyborg was out to kill me and I’m devising a way to fight her off
from the safety of a reinforced steel bunker...


Low Altitude Gunship?


Powered Exoskeleton?


M1 Abrams Tank?


She can kill the tank , powered armour doesn’t exist yet to
my knowledge. I’ll have to go with the gunship. But then again in anime a
torpedo boat took out a gunship. What’s to stop a cyborg super soldier from
doing the same with a S.A.M.?


I think I’ll stay in my reinforced bunker thank you very
much.


At least until she busts in and makes me a red stain on the
wall.

If it were Jose, he could have Henrietta walk in on him while he was boinking Ferro. In that situation, Henrietta would definately kill herself. Of course, she would kill Jose and Ferro first, but that's beside the point.

Light bulb clicks on.

What kind of weapon do you think is good against a cyborg? I was all about
stopping power myself.

I'm not expert in firearms, I only know bits and pieces gleamed of Wikipedia
and the odd site so I could be wrong, but since a cyborg is so tough you should
use a weapon that can drive as much force into them as quickly as possible
instead of trying to breach their skin with a penetration round (unless you're
sniping, then go for the head).

So up close, six dudes with automatic shotguns (there are a couple in existence
last I checked) should do the trick. Point in the general direction and pull
that trigger. No need to aim, just make sure she doesn't get into melee or get
her gun trained on you.

But the best possible weapon I can think off against a cyborg would be a Rocket
Propelled Grenade. If that don't kill her, nothing will.

Where conventional weaponry is concerned, armor-piercing rounds less than 20mm in caliber, explosive rounds of 20mm caliber or better, hand grenades and heavy artillery would definitely stop a cyborg. Utilizing anything less than these, however, would be akin to attacking a tank with a pea-shooter. My personal preference would be to keep one of these babies handy.

Duh, obviously the answer is a lightsaber...

Danjo3 wrote:If it were Jose, he could have Henrietta walk in on him while he was boinking Ferro. In that situation, Henrietta would definately kill herself. Of course, she would kill Jose and Ferro first, but that's beside the point.

:lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:
I think she would be boinking him with the Don Juan Strap On!
Then Henrietta would have some interesting questions to ask at the tea table before she kills herself later that night.

ElfenMagix wrote:I think she would be boinking him with the Don Juan Strap On!
Then Henrietta would have some interesting questions to ask at the tea table before she kills herself later that night.

God! What I wouldn't give to listen in on that conversation!

Shotguns are good. Explosives are good. Big bullets are good. Lots of bullets are good. Anything that achieves one, or more of those is something to look at.

If you're going to use the shot gun you might as well get a semi/full auto shotgun firing slugs. Bonus points for exploding slugs. Explosives, you're probably looking at grenade launchers. There are a whole ton, and will 'Git-R-Done'. Anything firing a .50 caliber sounds good. Machine guns, and Gatling cannons are also options.

Honestly though, I think some Delta Force, or other special forces, with normal weapons could get the job done. Not easy, not without lose of life, but they could do it. Also numbers work. Any old company of decently trained, and equipped army unit could do the job.

**Edit**
Old thread where we discussed some other options. Most interesting among them is electricity. Though if you ask me just how much damage it would do is up in the air. However there is a good chance of doing respectable damage.

Nachtsider wrote:Where conventional weaponry is concerned, armor-piercing rounds less than 20mm in caliber, explosive rounds of 20mm caliber or better, hand grenades and heavy artillery would definitely stop a cyborg. Utilizing anything less than these, however, would be akin to attacking a tank with a pea-shooter. My personal preference would be to keep one of these babies handy.

Should have a picatiny-rail,so I can add a forehanded-grip under the barrel!!

hehe..

Nachtsider wrote:Where conventional weaponry is concerned, armor-piercing rounds less than 20mm in caliber, explosive rounds of 20mm caliber or better, hand grenades and heavy artillery would definitely stop a cyborg. Utilizing anything less than these, however, would be akin to attacking a tank with a pea-shooter. My personal preference would be to keep one of these babies handy.

Holy **** (insert your choice four letter word here). What the hell is that thing! Semi-auto grenade launcher? Accurate out to 1000meters? Ah hell... That would do the job alright.

1000 meters is probably pie in the sky. Thing is smooth bore right? You might be able to do the job at that range, but your going to spend at least one clip doing it. Still yeah, nothing quite says awesome like being able to pull a trigger, and make something explode.

Go simple street-tech here:
Mercury filled, Teflon tipped DUM-DUM bullets...
"If the bullets dont kill you, the mercury will!"

In short (aka Cop Killers) these telfon tipped hand gun rounds will make mince meat out of any klevlar and most other body amour. This should be able to do away with most of the cyborg's internal protection after a couple of rounds. Adding the Mercury gives it an explosive shell, like most hollow points, but adds in the dangers of Mercury itself.

Two or three of these into a cyborg, espcially since they like to block shots thrown at them, the doctors are going to realize this the cyborg they are trying to repair will be too far gone to repair when they find the mercury in her system.

\\Sigh

Teflon coating does not allow a bullet to get past kevlar. This is an urban myth. The first Teflon coated bullet was in fact an armor piercing round. This ability to pierce armor came form the heavier then normal core, I believe it was tungsten don't really remember. However the designers noted this heavier core wore down the barrel. The solution was to reduce friction between the bullet, and the barrel. Thus the Teflon coating.

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Mercury is an interesting route. Though I would imagine there are more potent poisons. The method of deliver certainly is novel. I don't know just how mercury damages the system, but I believe it's long term enough that it wouldn't do the job in a matter of hours. More likely it will take a couple days to weeks. Still very creative.

Wileama wrote:\\Sigh

Teflon coating does not allow a bullet to get past kevlar. This is an urban myth. The first Teflon coated bullet was in fact an armor piercing round. This ability to pierce armor came form the heavier then normal core, I believe it was tungsten don't really remember. However the designers noted this heavier core wore down the barrel. The solution was to reduce friction between the bullet, and the barrel. Thus the Teflon coating.

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Mercury is an interesting route. Though I would imagine there are more potent poisons. The method of deliver certainly is novel. I don't know just how mercury damages the system, but I believe it's long term enough that it wouldn't do the job in a matter of hours. More likely it will take a couple days to weeks. Still very creative.

OK, I stand corrected on the first part, but I wonder what was being used (and still is) to penetrate police body armour here in NYC. It is rare, but it does happen...

On the second, Mercury poisons the system much the same way as Lead, Cadinium(sp?), Aresenic, and other heavy metals, but does so much faster due to its liquid state. A small amount can cause nuero/brain and organ damage like Liver and Kidneys. A lot (technically speaking, 1/8 of an ounce - dont know what it is in grams), death within a couple of hours of exposure. But until then, the person will be undergoing chemical neuro trauma and organ damage as they try to continue to get you. its like they are poisoned, and even though their bodies are failing, they refuse to want to fail but fail they do. An 1/8th of an ounce is about 3 of such Mercury filled bullets. 1 such bullet usually kills the person in a slow death that lasts for days.

Wileama wrote:Mercury is an interesting route. Though I would imagine there are more potent poisons. The method of deliver certainly is novel. I don't know just how mercury damages the system, but I believe it's long term enough that it wouldn't do the job in a matter of hours. More likely it will take a couple days to weeks. Still very creative.

the only problem with this is that an armor piercing rounds' core is designed not to fragment... it just punches straight through, leaving nothing of itself behind. A mercury delivering round would need to be hollow point, which is useless for penetrating armor. Can't have it both ways.

How efficient will it be to try and drown them

Well you can penetrate police body armour with .223 FMJ for example. Most of assault rifles and rifles are capable of penetrating vests. If we have to think about handgun solution then magnum rounds (.357 .44 .50) should do the trick. Then you might also consider using a hunting rifle with AP rounds, same lethality as in assault rifles. Also there are 9mm and .45 rounds with AP capabilities. So basically its not that hard really. Higher caliber FMJ round should do the trick in most cases.

Penetrating the girls skin is not really the hard part. The hard part is killing them. Unlike normal people, they don't seem to loose much blood, or go into schock after getting shot. Considering how advanced the SWA's medical department is, it's hard to make sure that a cyborg is really, trully, absolutely dead. You need to lodge a bunch of bullets in her brain. Of course in theory that's not that hard, but I wouldn't be particularly willing to be the volunteer, weven if I got the best modern guns, and body armor.

I still think that nothing short of non-standard, armor-piercing or high-explosive ordance has any hope in hell of killing a cyborg, here (unless a standard round hits them in the eye, of course).

I'm still of the opinion that enough of pretty much any round could kill 'em. Shoot one spot on the chest with four thousand .22LR rounds, and...

But what would be the point of making something so pathetic in the resilience department?

How often do soldiers get hit more than 3-4 times in combat, and how much less do assassins? The girls shouldn't need to be all that tough, and from what I've seen, their toughness is only at key points of the body. It keeps them hardy enough to take a few rounds of 7.62 and limp on home to get repaired.
(and I'd like to note that I said four thousand rounds of .22LR. In one spot. That's a lot of lead, no matter who you are)

Well, it can't be any part of the chest. You can turn the girls into swiss cheese and they will still function as long as the most vital organs and sceletal structure stay intact.

I should've been more specific when I said "same spot". Within a 1" circle then. 4000 rounds, 40 grains each, travelling at 1080fps.

Yeah, I can see your point. The shock damadge to the body from just one bullet is very extensive and sometimes up to a meter in diameter at the opposite side of entry.

Although, so far many of the ideas assume a laboratory like setting. With a cyborg strapped down and unable to move for "test schooting".

But, if you used a minigun or something... The cyborgs weren't made to be tanks after all.

West Nile wrote:How efficient will it be to try and drown them

welcome member there.

nice idea,henrietta must hug a big rock and then I 'll kick her into the sea.

emperor wrote:

nice idea,henrietta must hug a big rock and then I 'll kick her into the sea.

in the case of volume 7. if either Claes or Petra went overboard with Sandro and Jean out of sight would it have killed them?

depends...


here is one on how to kill a Cyborg.
spray the head and hope that one of the bullets rips thru the eye.

You think is spear gun would get enough penetration? I've always thought the girls didn't do a lot to stop the round, as shrug off the damage. A spear gun offers so much potential. You could pin her to the wall like in Half-Life 2. Or you could tie the spear to rope, and drag her behind your car.

The latter scenario would be a wild ride. I can almost see some of the girls recovering to a skiing position. That or breaking the rope. Still that would be kind of awesome. Getting dragged behind a car going 60 mph as the driver tries to slam you into walls, while the passengers try to fill you full of holes. The entire time the girl is trying to get in the car, and kill them all.

Ah, my favorite topic. Killing the cyborgs.

G.D. Wallez pondered this, too. A villian I wrote about who was very, very close to successfully killing off all the girls in a number of ways.

Firstly, he managed to kidnap Claes while all the other cyborgs were on a mission. Using eletrical force, his men brought her down (though not without casualties). After several testing, she was finally rescued, but he was able to test his 'Anti-stimulum". After some more research (thanks to the traitor, Draghi) he perfected his potion.

Anti-stimulum breaks down the conditioning drug, and amplifies memory and the nervous system. While not effective as a poison, it degrades the cyborgs' effectiveness in combat. It was extremely pontent against a non-cyborg, rendering mere mortals nearly incapable of anything but insanity from pain for at least an hour.

After rapidly breaking down and destroying the drugs, and with amplifying the nervous system, the girls become suseptible to pain within a few minutes. Their combat ability is slowed (though not too drastically).

Exploiting the weakness the girls have to stabbing, and reasoning the girls do take drugs via the needle, he used darts to inject his anti-stimulum into the girls. He did this by luring the girls into traps via fake missions which were really ambushes (again, thanks to the traitor Draghi). Section One passed on false information for Section Two to send cyborgs chasing after.

Rico was a sniper helping to defend a brass meeting from an attack. Unknown to the agency, there was no meeting. Wallez made sure there was only one good sniping spot for her according to the mission. Coming from behind, he hit Rico and Jean, using his darts. After some waiting, he attacked Rico, and successfully beat her in combat. Kicking her, causing unusal pain. Bringing down an axe to bear on her, he cut her almost 20 times, purposefully missing vital organs. (Wallez was a very knowledgable student in human biology). She lost her foot, ability to move, and was sentenced to helplessly lie in bed. Wallez struck during a time the agency was waiting on further funding and supplies for the cyborg bodies. Rico would be helpless until these could be secured.

Triela and Hillshire were next, sent on a mission to Amsterdam to find Mario, precisely calculated when Triela was having her period. Instead, they were led into the place where Triela was rescued. Being hit by serveral snipers' darts, flashing memories bombarded her. After soaking in a dream about her time before her cyborg life, she comes to realize that Wallez was one who personally tortured her. Then Wallez's cyborg assassin (a grown man) sprays her with his flamer (after she'd had gasoline dumped on her).

She was screaming in an Amsterdam hospital when Dr. Bianchi took a flight to see her once Rico stablized.

Unfortunately, while Bianchi was on his flight, Henrietta and Jose went to Henrietta's old house for an investigation with the ones who lived there. The two were attacked, and Henrietta was beaten severely, and was chained to the fridge. Wallez then revealed to her that he was the one who butchered her family and raped her. As he is fixing to rape her again, his goons begin beating up on Jose... bad move. Wallez backs off as Henrietta throws the fridge at them.

She chases Wallez out the backyard, into the alleyway and onto a train track, where two of Wallez's agents confront her. She manages to shoot Wallez's cyborg in the eye, but his eye is bullet-proofed. Henrietta is finally thrown in front of a rushing train. Faking death, the men left her as Jose got her into the van.

Then, Wallez has Bianchi kidnapped, forcing him to watch video feed of the tortured girls, as he sits there and can do nothing.

He had been using Draghi to slip high doses of thallium poisoning into the latest conditioning drugs, which Angelica was taking. The plan got better as she became dependent on the drugs, and Angelica unknowingly poisoned herself almost to death. Thallium is colorless, tasteless, but takes great long doses to kill, even months of daily doses may not do it. But once it is so high as to be almost untreatable, victims go crazy, complaining about every touch being like needle stabs, they lose hair, and get a butterfly-shaped rash on their face.

Angelica was such to go very crazy, destroying everything and anything, screaming for Marco. Nothing the doctors did helped. Claes finally tied her to the bed and they ducktaped her mouth... which became bloody as she bit her lips and tongue.

Claes is sent on a final mission on a supposed hideout for the ones planning these attacks. However, it is yet again a trap. Wallez brought along Rabello, and forces memories into Claes. Psychologically destroyed, she is numbed, and Wallez attempts to rape her. He almost succeeded, as he and his goons (as well as a large squad of followers and loyalists) nearly win.

When Luke and Ehud spy on the agency and find out what's going on, they rescue Claes, Rabello, and some of the others, though when Luke found Claes, she was naked and strapped to an electric chair's very low power setting.


He also illegalized the use and creation of cyborgs, and convinced the brass (amongst others) that the cyborgs were not human beings, and needed to be disposed of. The girls were now ordered by the brass to be killed.
That's how Wallez nearly did it.

Me, personally, if I knew a cyborg was coming after me, I would set myself up and my guards with blades. They would seem to do much better than guns.


I'm thinking about having the girls go on a mission to a zoo/aquarium place in Rome in my story, 'To Kill a Cyborg'.

Sheo Darren has come up with some pretty good ideas on combating cyborgs. But the cyborgs seem pretty weak on the defense, simple as that (though, even then, they're pretty hard to take out).

My favorite weapon implimented on the girls has to be the flamer, though without the anti-stimulum, it wouldn't be as effective. I've also used .50 caliber anti-personelle rifles, other .50 caliber machineguns, 120mm cannon (Israeli Merkava Mk4 tank), an RPG, and a crashing helicopter (the latter two were the killers of my OC cyborgs, Carol and Terra).

I almost nearly killed Henrietta in the Alaskan wilderness, but I stopped that story. (Spoilers if I write it: She and Jose are rescued by Jose's fiance, Charlett.)

Why didn‘t you just link your damn story Colonel. Christ, we all know how fascinated you are with torturing little girls.

Danjo3 wrote:Why didn‘t you just link your damn story Colonel. Christ, we all know how fascinated you are with torturing little girls.

Torturing little girl?!

count me in too!!

:pedolol:

Colonel Marksman wrote:Me, personally, if I knew a cyborg was coming after me, I would set myself up and my guards with blades. They would seem to do much better than guns.

That is an ill-advised course of action, Colonel.

very. just set up your guards with G3s loaded with 7.62x51FMJ. and make sure there are a LOT of them. Volume of fire is the key here

You know what would be a good tactic if you asked me: Suicide troops. Yeah it's not morally defensible, but its the tactic I think would be most reliable. It's easier to kill an opponent if your death isn't an issue. Besides your going to suffer losses, and an organization like the Five Republics is better set up to win a war of attrition. My plan would be something like this:

Ensure the fight takes place in something like a large house. Booby trap certain rooms with explosives, and napalm. Put guards in these rooms. Use the guards to draw the Cyborg into the these rooms. Blow up the rooms. Napalm is good, because the hot air should destroy the lungs. I don't care who you are, destroyed lungs = dead.

Realistically speaking, I have access to only blades. The other weapon is a .22LR carbine with a 10-round magazine. I'm sorry, but I would much rather stick with my blades than my .22LR carbine.

Not to mention, I don't just have blades, but I'm somewhat familar with using them. In fact, you can have a lightsaber for all I care.

If I really had enough time to prepare, though, I'd have whiskey bombs too.

Out on the street, I don't stand a chance. In my own home, I have some, since it is, afterall, my home.

Given a choice of weapons and a decent amount of ammunition, I'd choose a semi-automatic grenade launcher, notably, the M-32 Multiple shot Grenade Launcher in a building-setting. You can run and shoot this like a carbine. One round for each girl, plus an extra. (That was really morbid).

Outside, with a distance advantage, I'd pick none other than the SVD.

In an urban setting with corners, I'd go equipped like a SWAT member, with dragonskin armor, and a semi-automatic shotgun with a drum-magazine would be my preference... or the Tommy submachinegun. For room-clearing, two Deagles in .45.

As the situation changes, so do my weapons, but I'm not using anything short of a .357 caliber, cyborg enemies or not.

Why didn‘t you just link your damn story Colonel. Christ, we all know how fascinated you are with torturing little girls.

My stories are already posted about G.D. Wallez, but it is a three-story series. If I provided a link, it would be to: The Epic. Someone once complained about having the stories all separate, but there's 10 chapters in the first story (about 10), 13 in the next, and 16 in the finale.

Yeah, these aren't some 4,000-word stories I'm talking about that I can simply give you links for you to read in less than an hour's time. In total, there's approximately 72,600 words total: that's the average size of a full-length novel.

I'm not sure who'd read the story if I posted all the chapters up in a week's period of time. I still have more than 20 chapters to go. What I posted up there wasn't even a brief overview, just a focus on the topic's discussion.

Besides, the links to the stories no longer exist, not since I left Fanfiction.

ah. thought we were on the subject of 5R bigwigs, not just ourselves. I doubt any of us have the intel networks in place to figure out we were targeted, so... yeah. Any of us would more than likely just die by Rico's

LoC978 wrote:ah. thought we were on the subject of 5R bigwigs, not just ourselves. I doubt any of us have the intel networks in place to figure out we were targeted, so... yeah. Any of us would more than likely just die by Rico's

Yeah, notice though, I said if I knew they were coming, and could prepare. That's the only way my villans were able to do it. They were prepared, specifically for the cyborgs.

Oh, thanx 4 the comments. I didn't know if anyone was still reading my material.

Anyway, on the 'Wire Gun', I've decided to drop trying to come up with realistic ways to incorporate the actual wire used and just make it the sloppy, unoriginal monofilament wire. I'm sure a stabbing of that would do the girls in, but that's just it: stabbing them, which of course means getting close.

Still, the best way to kill the girls is via

I'd like to note, however, that while I've sent cyborgs, flames, .50 caliber rifles, blades, poisons, and even Charlett (Jose's finance)... none of these actually did work. We're all too soft on the girls, and we're not killing them (except maybe Angie) anytime soon.

Colonel Marksman wrote:
We're all too soft on the girls, and we're not killing them (except maybe Angie) anytime soon.

brewding evil intent for next fic :twisted:

Anyway if i were a badie, and one aware of the existence of the SWA I'd just set up base on a oil platform in the middle of the sea. if i sea any choppers or boats i just blow em' up and that's the end of that story.

brewding evil intent for next fic :twisted:

... I should put plant a flag on the idea then... it's already taken. (spoilers)

if you're intent is to kill off a gunslinger girl then i hope we can at least share the concept.

one of the working concepts so far in killing a cyborg is with explosives, however i can't help but mention that Angie survived an explotion (i think) so how muck "boom" does it take to blow away the girls?

How much boom? I'd say armor-piercing bullets of any caliber, along with high-explosive rounds of 20mm caliber and up (including grenades). Anything short of this would be folly.

Nachtsider wrote:How much boom? I'd say armor-piercing bullets of any caliber, along with high-explosive rounds of 20mm caliber and up (including grenades). Anything short of this would be folly.

I think .357 and .45 handgun calibers can do it, though I would prefer to put my faith into bigger, rifle calibers doing the trick. In random weakpoints and sly shots it seems that 7.62x39mm can do it (AK-47s).

if you're intent is to kill off a gunslinger girl then i hope we can at least share the concept.

Oh, always. I just want "claim of being the first" is all. It's not copyright persay, but yeah. Even using my own characters is almost always welcomed.

A bit of issue that happened was when Panzer IV was involved in the Wedding War forum posts RPG topic, and had his character Fredrick got Triela pregnant. Well, at the same time, I wrote a GSG story which had Triela become pregnant. Panzer didn't like that because I was "copying his idea". Honestly, I started my story long before Triela's pregnancy came around in the forum topic, but he reached the idea first.

With the complaints, I deleted the story, much to the dismay of several readers (which rather surprised me).

Colonel Marksman wrote:Anyway, on the 'Wire Gun', I've decided to drop trying to come up with realistic ways to incorporate the actual wire used and just make it the sloppy, unoriginal monofilament wire. :nono: I'm sure a stabbing of that would do the girls in, but that's just it: stabbing them, which of course means getting close.

If your still using it for stabbing then you still haven't solved the issue. Unless your going to A) Move the wire faster then it has any right to go B) Actually apply tension to the wire your not going to get cutting, let alone stabbing. Is there something else I'm missing? I don't mean to be an ass, but it physics. Also monofilament wire doesn't mean anything past single strand wire, that means it could still be on a nano scale.