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Re: Rico
Triela can remember dreaming about Raquel vaguely too, can't she? Only Henrietta manged to block her traumatic experience until the agency made her remember in that recent chapter with the water tank.
And didn't Angelica just have happy dreams about her dog? She probably didn't dream about good times with her family, since that would link to the repressed memory of her father running her over.
Even if Rico remembers her past, she's probably supressing her fear of becoming helpless and being rejected, causing it to filter through in dream.
Do people think Rico remembering her past was intentional or non-intentional on the part of the SWA?
And didn't Angelica just have happy dreams about her dog? She probably didn't dream about good times with her family, since that would link to the repressed memory of her father running her over.
Even if Rico remembers her past, she's probably supressing her fear of becoming helpless and being rejected, causing it to filter through in dream.
Do people think Rico remembering her past was intentional or non-intentional on the part of the SWA?
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Re: Rico
Ghostfriendly wrote:Do people think Rico remembering her past was intentional or non-intentional on the part of the SWA?
I believe it's unintentional, but some have put forward that Jean allowed Rico to remember to control her through fear - "Disappoint me and I'll take away your mobility."
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Very few ppl in real life remember their dreams. The same applies to the GsG girls. Yu only has shown that a couple of them remember their dreams, and those dreams bother them. Again, like real life- to many those dreams that are remembered as often the ones that shook their beings to their internal cores.
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Re: Rico
Kiskaloo wrote:Ghostfriendly wrote:Do people think Rico remembering her past was intentional or non-intentional on the part of the SWA?
I believe it's unintentional, but some have put forward that Jean allowed Rico to remember to control her through fear - "Disappoint me and I'll take away your mobility."
Jean could probably manipulate a terrorist like that, but to do that to Rico I think he would need to understand her feelings more than he's willing to, and treat her as person rather than a tool.
Elfenmagix wrote:Very few ppl in real life remember their dreams. The same applies to the GsG girls. Yu only has shown that a couple of them remember their dreams, and those dreams bother them. Again, like real life- to many those dreams that are remembered as often the ones that shook their beings to their internal cores.
If the dream represented something they'd been suppressing before they remembered it, it certainly would shake them.
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Re: Rico
Ghostfriendly wrote:Kiskaloo wrote:Ghostfriendly wrote:Do people think Rico remembering her past was intentional or non-intentional on the part of the SWA?
I believe it's unintentional, but some have put forward that Jean allowed Rico to remember to control her through fear - "Disappoint me and I'll take away your mobility."
Jean could probably manipulate a terrorist like that, but to do that to Rico I think he would need to understand her feelings more than he's willing to, and treat her as person rather than a tool.
Jean pretty much did treat Rico as a tool, to be thrown away when no longer of use and replaced. He seems to have mellowed out a bit after Angelica died.
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Re: Rico
Kiskaloo wrote:Jean pretty much did treat Rico as a tool, to be thrown away when no longer of use and replaced. He seems to have mellowed out a bit after Angelica died.
Because he was pleased with Rico for taking Angelica's death in such an unemotional and tool-like way. Strange man.
With Beatrice and Angelica, Jean seems to be going out of his way to shield Rico from the death of other girls. If she really started being afraid of her own death, he would call her useless, but maybe he wouldn't order her to keep on fighting anyway. Having Rico as a 'tool of vengence' means he can think of revenge when he thinks of Erica and Sophia, and not the pain and fear they must've suffered when they died.
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Re: Rico
Alternately, we've only now gotten a glimpse of her dream. Henrietta may have been dreaming that every night since her conversion.Ghostfriendly wrote: Only Henrietta manged to block her traumatic experience until the agency made her remember in that recent chapter with the water tank.
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Re: Rico
Professor Voodoo wrote:Alternately, we've only now gotten a glimpse of her dream. Henrietta may have been dreaming that every night since her conversion.Ghostfriendly wrote: Only Henrietta manged to block her traumatic experience until the agency made her remember in that recent chapter with the water tank.
Based on the effect it seems to have had on her, I would be more inclined to think this is something new...
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It maybe new that she remembers. But everybody dreams in their sleep; its part of the sleep cycle under the R.E.M. cycle. On average a person goes through 6 - 10 REM cycles in an average 8 hour sleep; as my memory serves me right on this. There is on record of 1 man who does not REM Sleep due to a head injury (surviving a bullet through the brain). As I remember (info needs to be verified), he died within a year from not being able to REM in his sleep. He also showed signs of deteriorating metal stability, degrading to full blown insanity in the end.Kiskaloo wrote:Professor Voodoo wrote:Alternately, we've only now gotten a glimpse of her dream. Henrietta may have been dreaming that every night since her conversion.Ghostfriendly wrote: Only Henrietta manged to block her traumatic experience until the agency made her remember in that recent chapter with the water tank.
Based on the effect it seems to have had on her, I would be more inclined to think this is something new...
So sleep and dreams, as intergral as they are to the human condition, the girls must have it. Whether they remember their dreams remains to be seen; as most people on the planet do not remember their average dreams on most nights.
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Re: Rico
my favorite character beside Bea and Ange
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Re: Rico
Kiskaloo wrote:Five_X wrote:Rico is still cute!
That is all.
Only Series 1 and manga Rico. She's hella creepy in -IL TEATRINO-.
Ditto
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Re: Rico
I still like Rico. She is still cute and innocent and she's very fast and efficient. In Ep1 of Il Teatrino she tosses one guy and shoots another in the legs in one incredibly fast motion. Also a sequence in the second intro shows her chasing the Padania on the rooftops, presumably before Bea shoots the roof out, and she pulls he pistol to take two shots, lighning quick. Jean has her do some pretty nasty stuff, but that's an extension of Jean's hate.
Jean, if you really look at it, is actually much more supportive of Rico than anyone cares to consider. Yes, he has hit her as "dicipline", Hillshire almost hit Triella too, but Jean also made a point to tell Rico she's done a good job on several occasions and unlike Raballo, Lauro and Marco, he's never called Rico useless. Verbal insults have been shown to be far more traumatic to the girls. Jean was also quite quick to jump into the water to save her. Personally I think Jean has some very surpressed love for Rico, it is often overrided by his hate for the FRF and he does not know how to express it.
Let the hate begin...
Jean, if you really look at it, is actually much more supportive of Rico than anyone cares to consider. Yes, he has hit her as "dicipline", Hillshire almost hit Triella too, but Jean also made a point to tell Rico she's done a good job on several occasions and unlike Raballo, Lauro and Marco, he's never called Rico useless. Verbal insults have been shown to be far more traumatic to the girls. Jean was also quite quick to jump into the water to save her. Personally I think Jean has some very surpressed love for Rico, it is often overrided by his hate for the FRF and he does not know how to express it.
Let the hate begin...
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Re: Rico
All those are very valid points.overkill13 wrote:Let the hate begin...
But one thing can be said- Rico never failed on the field or in practice.
Whether this has to do with Rico's construction or to Jean's care, training and conditioning medication dosage, remains to be seen.
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Re: Rico
More like let the love begin. We think alike.overkill13 wrote:Jean, if you really look at it, is actually much more supportive of Rico than anyone cares to consider. Yes, he has hit her as "dicipline", Hillshire almost hit Triella too, but Jean also made a point to tell Rico she's done a good job on several occasions and unlike Raballo, Lauro and Marco, he's never called Rico useless. Verbal insults have been shown to be far more traumatic to the girls. Jean was also quite quick to jump into the water to save her. Personally I think Jean has some very surpressed love for Rico, it is often overrided by his hate for the FRF and he does not know how to express it.
Let the hate begin...
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Re: Rico
I'm not sure if I'd go that far,ElfenMagix wrote: Rico never failed on the field or in practice.
but to be certain Jean has never been heard suggesting that his own cyborg should be reconditioned. Is it because Rico is really reliable in the field...or is there attachment which Jean won't acknowledge publically? Who knows...that's why I really like Jean's character.
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Re: Rico
Jean just has overwhelmingly high standards. IIRC, the grouping Rico achieved was pretty decent.
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Re: Rico
In this I have to agree, and perhaps this could be from Jean being from possibly a strict military background. He expects nothing but the very best from Rico, and thus will settle for nothing less.
My true gripe with Jean it appears his quest for vengeance overshadows his judgement and thus he 'acts' out in frustration at Rico as opposed to anger. For every time Rico does not meet Jean's standards, it is another Padania member that is not dead.
My true gripe with Jean it appears his quest for vengeance overshadows his judgement and thus he 'acts' out in frustration at Rico as opposed to anger. For every time Rico does not meet Jean's standards, it is another Padania member that is not dead.
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Re: Rico
I'm more or less indifferent to Jean. I certainly don't hate him. He's standoffish with Rico and his hatred for the Padania has gotten the better of him, but even Jose lost his head in volume 11 and like I said, I think he has a lot of repressed love that he has no idea how to express.
The Jean/Rico situation could even be compared to Jose/Henrietta. Rico could very well be Jean's replacement for Enrica, but because he was seldom available for Enrica he never really knew how to love a child. Whereas Jose spent so much time with Enrica he developed a much more conventional relationship with her and then Henrietta. Rico's level of conditioning might even be attributed to this. If Enrica was frequently and openly upset with Jean, he may have developed a disdain for the behaviour and conditioned Rico more heavily in order to avoid it with her.
The Jean/Rico situation could even be compared to Jose/Henrietta. Rico could very well be Jean's replacement for Enrica, but because he was seldom available for Enrica he never really knew how to love a child. Whereas Jose spent so much time with Enrica he developed a much more conventional relationship with her and then Henrietta. Rico's level of conditioning might even be attributed to this. If Enrica was frequently and openly upset with Jean, he may have developed a disdain for the behaviour and conditioned Rico more heavily in order to avoid it with her.
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Re: Rico
Rico's level of conditioning is actually quite debatable.
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Re: Rico
Well that gets the mental gears turning.Nachtsider wrote:Rico's level of conditioning is actually quite debatable.
Ostensibly Jean has Rico on pretty high conditioning...but that's never really confirmed is it? He just recommends that Giuse up Henrietta's levels, never telling us what Rico (or Claes, whom he is also responsible for) is getting.
Despite the assumption that Rico is on high levels we never see her display any Beatrice-like behavior. All of her easy-going traits could be attributed to her natural personality as easily as conditioning drugs. She does seem to be living dependency symptom free longer than both Triela & Henrietta...although
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- It's possible that Yu is setting her up to be killed at the impending power plant battle. Just a hypothesis...you know he's going to have to do something dramatic, and both Henrietta & Triela have unresolved story arcs going on.
Let the hate mail begin.
That's some serious food for thought, Nacht.
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Re: Rico
I imagine Rico has the recommended level of conditioning, which is more than what we know Henrietta and Triela have. I tend to think that Angelica also had recommended levels. Claes may very well be on "maintenance levels" to keep her systems in check.
I'm guessing that Henrietta has now been conditioned significanrly since she now exhibits similar behavior to Beatrice.
I'm guessing that Henrietta has now been conditioned significanrly since she now exhibits similar behavior to Beatrice.
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Re: Rico
kawai
rico was over conditioned i recon.
i also bet gose hates jean's guts for the way he treats rico
rico was over conditioned i recon.
i also bet gose hates jean's guts for the way he treats rico
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Re: Rico
I don't think he hates him, he just doesn't like Jean's discipline approach.
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Re: Rico
Jose and Jean are brothers. Of corse he might be angered for the way he treats Rico, but he understands that she is his cyborg. Jose defiantly doesn't hate him for it.
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Re: Rico
Pinakbet wrote:Kiskaloo wrote:Five_X wrote:Rico is still cute!
That is all.
Only Series 1 and manga Rico. She's hella creepy in -IL TEATRINO-.
Ditto
lol i know.
she looks like that hamster from bedtime stories XD THOSE DAMN EYES
"im looking at you...
im comeing to get you"
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Re: Rico
Being new here I thought I'd add my 2 cents about Rico.
Personally i don't actually see Rico as emotionless, she only seems to be that way when with Jean, with the other girls she seems perfectly normal (or as normal as these girls get), for example, jumping on the beds before that mission with Angelica. Even some scenes with Jean she seems relatively well adjusted, like playing with the dog on the beach while Jean watches.
I think that it's mainly the expectations of Jean that cause her to act emotionless while on the job, rather than the effect of the conditioning.
Still, it would be interesting to know what level of conditioning she is under
Personally i don't actually see Rico as emotionless, she only seems to be that way when with Jean, with the other girls she seems perfectly normal (or as normal as these girls get), for example, jumping on the beds before that mission with Angelica. Even some scenes with Jean she seems relatively well adjusted, like playing with the dog on the beach while Jean watches.
I think that it's mainly the expectations of Jean that cause her to act emotionless while on the job, rather than the effect of the conditioning.
Still, it would be interesting to know what level of conditioning she is under
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Re: Rico
I'd agree, Rico's hardly emotionless, however she's also permanently happy, which is unusual given the girls' circumstances. From that I'd say her conditioning level is quite high but, as Voodoo pointed out elsewhere on the forum: she's happy, she's skilled, Jean is doing something right there.
On the job though, all the girls are quite emotionless (minus the odd glitch... like going ape with a P90).
On the job though, all the girls are quite emotionless (minus the odd glitch... like going ape with a P90).
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Re: Rico
Yeah, though Rico being happy is understandable given that she remembers her previous life and considers almost ANYTHING an improvement
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Re: Rico
I like the part where Rico asks Henrietta never to leave her because she gets lonely. I guess Jean allows some hints of caring and affection every now and then, but perhaps not enough for little Rico.
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Re: Rico
Wasn't it cute how Jean gave Rico the cuddling pillow. D'awwwwww.
I guess even Jean acknowledges her need for comfort, even if he doesn't feel capable of giving that comfort himself.
I guess even Jean acknowledges her need for comfort, even if he doesn't feel capable of giving that comfort himself.
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Re: Rico
Perhaps he knew what was likely to happen to Henrietta and was making an attempt at consoling Rico with a pre-emptive gift.Odon wrote:Wasn't it cute how Jean gave Rico the cuddling pillow. D'awwwwww.
I guess even Jean acknowledges her need for comfort, even if he doesn't feel capable of giving that comfort himself.
Anybody notice that Enrica had a long body-pillow too?
A gift from older brother Jean perhaps? Maybe that's his thing.
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Re: Rico
Jean has a cuddling pillow with a full-length image of Ferro printed on it.
He tell me.
He tell me.
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Re: Rico
After i have seen what Petra did with the Giacomo Dante target print at the range, i have an image of her in my brain where she has something similar, a body-size-pillow with a print of Dante to punch it.Nachtsider wrote:Jean has a cuddling pillow with a full-length image of Ferro printed on it.
He tell me.
And i have another image of her in my brain where she has a pillow with a full-size-body-print of Sandro on it (you know, for the sleepless nights )
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Re: Rico
tremec6speed wrote:I like the part where Rico asks Henrietta never to leave her because she gets lonely. I guess Jean allows some hints of caring and affection every now and then, but perhaps not enough for little Rico.
i agree. he seems not to be as harshe after the end of season 2 and even more so after angelica dies.
also i just had a brainwave do you think Rico sad any thing to anyone about her nightmare. and do you think it forshadowes anything
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Re: Rico
She might - just MIGHT - have confided in Henrietta (the closest thing to a friend Rico has) and/or Triela ('older sister' to every first-gen). Although the argument is equally valid that Rico just kept quiet and opted to stay as optimistic as always.
That's the weakness of GSG. We don't get to see enough of the cyborgs' interactions with one another.
That's the weakness of GSG. We don't get to see enough of the cyborgs' interactions with one another.
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Re: Rico
What Nightmare do you mean?
Both Rico and Triela were shocked as 'Robotic-Henrietta' entered the room but i haven't seen or read anything about a nightmare.
Of course, it's really sad and shocking to see your best friend has forgotten you and anything else.
Both Rico and Triela were shocked as 'Robotic-Henrietta' entered the room but i haven't seen or read anything about a nightmare.
Of course, it's really sad and shocking to see your best friend has forgotten you and anything else.
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Re: Rico
I'm not entirely sure myself, although I've heard talk that Rico sometimes gets bad dreams of being disabled again and confined once more to her hospital bed.
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Re: Rico
Funny, Emilie's nightmare are always about getting disassembled or amputated. (Deepest fear of Emilie, introduced by the happenening that brought her to the agency).Nachtsider wrote:I'm not entirely sure myself, although I've heard talk that Rico sometimes gets bad dreams of being disabled again and confined once more to her hospital bed.
They should speak together about their nightmares. (Maybe in a next chapter of my fiction in fact that it plays more or less beside the original Manga.)
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Re: Rico
schaschanist wrote:What Nightmare do you mean?
The dream where she wakes up in a hospital room with no arms or legs and Jean orders her to follow him. She's unable to, so he tells her she's useless to him and walks away.
It's implied that her new body is very important to her and a powerful motivator for her to perform well and why she's actually happy to be a killer (not because she's a psychopath who enjoys killing, but because through killing she proves her worthiness to keep her body).
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And which chapter? That is what i wanted to know.Kiskaloo wrote:schaschanist wrote:What Nightmare do you mean?
The dream where she wakes up in a hospital room with no arms or legs and Jean orders her to follow him. She's unable to, so he tells her she's useless to him and walks away.
It's implied that her new body is very important to her and a powerful motivator for her to perform well and why she's actually happy to be a killer (not because she's a psychopath who enjoys killing, but because through killing she proves her worthiness to keep her body).
I want to see this with my own eyes.
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Re: Rico
schaschanist wrote:And which chapter? That is what i wanted to know.
It's the opening to Volume 06, which is Chapter 28.
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Re: Rico
He said "Found it, Read it and Loved it" and wrote a note in his sketch book to use Rico's nightmare for a next chapter.
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Fan of : Henrietta,Triela and Claes; Hydrangea
Original Characters : Etienne & Emilie or "Eti & Emi"
Comments : Emilie Valerie De Laroque, a 13 years old dark and gloomy part-french girl from Belgium, with excellent manners and a slight french accent...
Registration date : 2010-12-16
Re: Rico
- chpts 84-87:
- After playing light-hearted second fiddle to Triela and Hemrietta's dramas, Rico finally cleaned up in chpt 84-87. A leap into action parelleling Triela's jumping back through the window during the Pino fight, acrobatics, great sniping skills (wounding Jean with a .50 round) and a suprising confession of love.
I never realised that Rico cared for Jean so much. She seemed merely happy to recieve what little affection he gave her, just as much as she was happy about sunshine, cute dogs and everything else. With a child's lack of introspection, I think Rico may never have expected Jean to die, or truly realised how much he mattered to her until now.
They'll hopefully develop a stable father-daughter relationship after the Henrietta-Jose suicide shuts the Agency down.
Ghostfriendly-
Forum Posts : 149
Fan of : Rico and Triela, Triela and Rico
Registration date : 2009-01-09
Re: Rico
are you sure? because what i see,Rico shot Jean and Giacomo with 20mm Denel sniper rifle,nt a .50cal roundGhostfriendly wrote:
- chpts 84-87:
"great sniping skills (wounding Jean with a .50 round)"
Kurosaka "Ery" Erika-
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Original Characters : sooo many
Comments : "Should i shoot you, or stab you?"
Registration date : 2012-04-11
Re: Rico
GattoNero wrote:are you sure? because what i see,Rico shot Jean and Giacomo with 20mm Denel sniper rifle,nt a .50cal roundGhostfriendly wrote:
- chpts 84-87:
"great sniping skills (wounding Jean with a .50 round)"
Bow to your superior knowledge. A large anti-materiel round in any case.
Ghostfriendly-
Forum Posts : 149
Fan of : Rico and Triela, Triela and Rico
Registration date : 2009-01-09
Re: Rico
Verisus wrote:Being new here I thought I'd add my 2 cents about Rico.
Personally i don't actually see Rico as emotionless, she only seems to be that way when with Jean, with the other girls she seems perfectly normal (or as normal as these girls get), for example, jumping on the beds before that mission with Angelica. Even some scenes with Jean she seems relatively well adjusted, like playing with the dog on the beach while Jean watches.
I think that it's mainly the expectations of Jean that cause her to act emotionless while on the job, rather than the effect of the conditioning.
Still, it would be interesting to know what level of conditioning she is under
I always thought Rico was pretty smart, and probably not heavily conditioned - I actually think that her 'not needing' much conditioning is mentioned somewhere in the manga, though I don't know where. Rico knows what she is to Jean: a tool, a killing machine. And a cyborg handler who thinks the answer to every behavioral tic is 'more conditioning' needs to be handled carefully. If i were Rico, I wouldn't crack a smile around him unless he told me to.
I wonder if she remembers her real name?
Thescarredman-
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Location : Toledo, Ohio, United States
Fan of : Rico, Bice
Original Characters : Kristal & Verotrois / Doc; Angel / Jack Keaton; Tiffany/Stefan
Comments : .
Mario Bossi would make a better handler than Marco Toni. Come to think of it, so would Christiano.
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Elizaveta didn't jump - she was pushed.
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Sofia was pregnant. It would have been a boy.
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John Doe faked his own death - twice.
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Enrica taught Jose everything he knows about the night sky.
Registration date : 2012-02-04
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Re: Rico
I think Rico remembers a lot more than even Jean thinks. I'd go so far as to say she knows exactly where her old home is and who her family are, and could waltz over to visit them if she so felt like it. But she doesn't want to, as she prefers her life at the Agency.
Which leads me to believe that yes, her conditioning is lower than popularly thought. Jean's way of exercising control over her is by playing up to her sense of gratitude to the Agency, not by zonking her out on the meds.
Which leads me to believe that yes, her conditioning is lower than popularly thought. Jean's way of exercising control over her is by playing up to her sense of gratitude to the Agency, not by zonking her out on the meds.
Nachtsider- KNIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD
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Location : Inside your closet. In your head.
Fan of : Gunslinger Girl, Transformers: Animated
Original Characters : Liesel/Altheus, Meir/Kathryn, Aharon/Nadia, Cosette/Janus
Comments : The Living Legend. Master of Darkness. Trailblazer par excellence. Fear him.
Registration date : 2007-09-09
Re: Rico
Jean uses "the suggested amount". That does not necessarily imply that "the suggested amount" is administered daily via a horse syringe.
We know Rico remembers her parents (including her father's job) and her life before the Agency. But then I do not believe conditioning medication dampens memories. Belesario stated at Lake Maggiore how they do it and he did not mention the conditioning medication as part of the process.
We know Rico remembers her parents (including her father's job) and her life before the Agency. But then I do not believe conditioning medication dampens memories. Belesario stated at Lake Maggiore how they do it and he did not mention the conditioning medication as part of the process.
Kiskaloo- A Cat of Many Talents
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Fan of : Angelica's Smile
Original Characters : Kara Michelle
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Registration date : 2008-09-11
Re: Rico
If memory serves me correctly, the conditioning isn't involved at all. I can't remeber exactly what he said, but from what i do recall is that if you stimulate certain parts of the brain with electricity, they forget.Kiskaloo wrote:Belesario stated at Lake Maggiore how they do it and he did not mention the conditioning medication as part of the process.
And I wanted to add that Rico is up there with Triela in my books . FULL OF WIN!
A thought just occoured to me: The most Badass (in my opinion at least judging from combat effectiveness and I'm happy for people to correct me if I'm wrong) cyborgs are blond - [Rico and Triela], folowed by maroon - [Beatrice], then brunettes - [Henrietta], and finally black hair - [Angelica and Claes]. Wonder if there's some sort of hidden message, or am I over thinking this? I have also noticed a number of blue eyed blond haired people in the series, and I remember a certain dictator who liked people like that. Yeah, I'm over thinking this .
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Three Dog-
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Location : The Evil Lair (South Australia)
Fan of : everyone but the man of many names: Jose/Guiseppe/Josef (And the comic space opera Scholck Mercenary)
Original Characters : Yes, and there are a lot (around 25-ish I think)
Comments : 42: Life is paradoxically coincidental to the ironical tyranny applicable to the unparalleled definition of the reverse entropy.
Registration date : 2012-03-27
Re: Rico
Angie in her prime was an amazing soldier. And Elsa made a whole bunch of noob mistakes on the job.
Myth busted.
Myth busted.
Nachtsider- KNIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD
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Forum Posts : 5722
Location : Inside your closet. In your head.
Fan of : Gunslinger Girl, Transformers: Animated
Original Characters : Liesel/Altheus, Meir/Kathryn, Aharon/Nadia, Cosette/Janus
Comments : The Living Legend. Master of Darkness. Trailblazer par excellence. Fear him.
Registration date : 2007-09-09
Re: Rico
Phew , I was getting a littla paranoid that Yu might actually be a Nazi trying to convert us to the Nazi way of thinking, take over the world, and bring about the next apocalypse! (I've been concentrating on my Strike Witches fic too much, I got nazis on the brain pan - at least I think that's the expression. And I just like apocalypses, such a fun genre)Nachtsider wrote:Angie in her prime was an amazing soldier. And Elsa made a whole bunch of noob mistakes on the job.
Myth busted.
Thanks for bringing me back to reality, man. Boring, regular, no fun at all, reality.
Though, as I recall, Elsa only started making mistakes after she saw how Jose showed a little care for 'Etta, and Elsa got distracted because of jealousy. Since Elsa loved Lauro so much, she began to wonder why he didn't threat her like Jose treated 'Etta. Henceforth, jelousy and wondering if her handler really cared for her distracted her from the mission, and unltimately ended in tradgedy.
Aww fuck! I just opened a like tne whole new cans of worms, and on poor wittle Wico's thwead. (let the hate mail begin *sigh*)
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Three Dog-
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Registration date : 2012-03-27
Re: Rico
Nachtsider wrote:Angie in her prime was an amazing soldier. And Elsa made a whole bunch of noob mistakes on the job.
Myth busted.
Then again, Elsa only made mistakes in the anime, which was not written by Yu. In the manga, Jean noted had been one of their more effective agents.
So perhaps "Plausible".
Kiskaloo- A Cat of Many Talents
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Fan of : Angelica's Smile
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Registration date : 2008-09-11
Re: Rico
Kiskaloo wrote:Nachtsider wrote:Angie in her prime was an amazing soldier. And Elsa made a whole bunch of noob mistakes on the job.
Myth busted.
Then again, Elsa only made mistakes in the anime, which was not written by Yu. In the manga, Jean noted had been one of their more effective agents.
So perhaps "Plausible".
Indeed, not for nothing Jean and Jose had described the Lauro-Elsa fratelló as a "great fratello" .
Goooooooo Lauro!
lolz
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Fan of : Lauro and Olga!
Original Characters : Vinson/Helen/Salvatore + Gunther/Ayden. Baddies are a small group of 'techno-anarchists'
Comments : I hope to include a short illustrated fanfic story of both Mr. Yutaka Aida's characters as well as some I've come up with.
Registration date : 2009-08-25
Re: Rico
To blame anything on the girls, you need to see who trained them. Marco was the best at what he did and he handed that training down to Angie. Lauro? We don't know and maybe will never know.tremec6speed wrote:Kiskaloo wrote:Nachtsider wrote:Angie in her prime was an amazing soldier. And Elsa made a whole bunch of noob mistakes on the job.
Myth busted.
Then again, Elsa only made mistakes in the anime, which was not written by Yu. In the manga, Jean noted had been one of their more effective agents.
So perhaps "Plausible".
Indeed, not for nothing Jean and Jose had described the Lauro-Elsa fratelló as a "great fratello" .
Goooooooo Lauro!
lolz
I have been pointing what was said about the Lauro/Elsa team for years only to be shot down, and now they get recognition? Gees - thanks a lot. I need to go vent on a newbie! RAWR!!!
ElfenMagix-
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Location : NYC NY, USA
Fan of : Pia, Elsa, Cleas, Triela...
Original Characters : Fernando & Rachel, Felix & Francesca
Comments : He has super powers. He is God.
Registration date : 2007-09-21
Re: Rico
I get the horrible feeling that this discussion is likr the whole Petra argument .ElfenMagix wrote:I have been pointing what was said about the Lauro/Elsa team for years
only to be shot down, and now they get recognition? Gees - thanks a lot.
I need to go vent on a newbie! RAWR!!!
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Re: Rico
Nachtsider wrote:Jean has a cuddling pillow with a full-length image of Ferro printed on it.
He tell me.
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Location : Bangkok,Thailand
Fan of : Henrietta,Black Lagoon,Jormungund
Original Characters : Rosetta,Devil baby
Comments : Be creative,baby!!
Registration date : 2007-09-09
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Re: Rico
That as the main troll bait before Petra/'Sandro came into GsG.Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:I get the horrible feeling that this discussion is likr the whole Petra argument .ElfenMagix wrote:I have been pointing what was said about the Lauro/Elsa team for years
only to be shot down, and now they get recognition? Gees - thanks a lot.
I need to go vent on a newbie! RAWR!!!
Mind you, Elsa/Lauro was in V1, and Petra/'Sandro was inV6/V7. We had several years to point out the arguments then!
emperor wrote:Nachtsider wrote:Jean has a cuddling pillow with a full-length image of Ferro printed on it.
He tell me.
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Fan of : Pia, Elsa, Cleas, Triela...
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Comments : He has super powers. He is God.
Registration date : 2007-09-21
Re: Rico
Rico is a very earnest little girl with a lot of Joi de vie, I think; a little butterfly chaser. But she knows Jean isn't into that, and so she keeps herself in check around him - mostly. Remember the scene where she was tightrope walking on the curb, and Jean pulled her down and told her to be sensible?
As a parent, Jean has turned out more like his father than he'd be comfortable admitting to. Then again, he'd probably be offended at the suggestion that he's Rico's surrogate parent.
As a parent, Jean has turned out more like his father than he'd be comfortable admitting to. Then again, he'd probably be offended at the suggestion that he's Rico's surrogate parent.
Thescarredman-
Forum Posts : 2226
Location : Toledo, Ohio, United States
Fan of : Rico, Bice
Original Characters : Kristal & Verotrois / Doc; Angel / Jack Keaton; Tiffany/Stefan
Comments : .
Mario Bossi would make a better handler than Marco Toni. Come to think of it, so would Christiano.
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Elizaveta didn't jump - she was pushed.
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Sofia was pregnant. It would have been a boy.
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John Doe faked his own death - twice.
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Enrica taught Jose everything he knows about the night sky.
Registration date : 2012-02-04
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Re: Rico
You're gonna hunt me down and kill me now, aren't you, Elfen?ElfenMagix wrote:That as the main troll bait before Petra/'Sandro came into GsG.Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:I get the horrible feeling that this discussion is likr the whole Petra argument .ElfenMagix wrote:I have been pointing what was said about the Lauro/Elsa team for years
only to be shot down, and now they get recognition? Gees - thanks a lot.
I need to go vent on a newbie! RAWR!!!
Mind you, Elsa/Lauro was in V1, and Petra/'Sandro was inV6/V7. We had several years to point out the arguments then!
I think you hit the nail on the head.Thescarredman wrote:As a parent, Jean has turned out more like his father than he'd be
comfortable admitting to. Then again, he'd probably be offended at the
suggestion that he's Rico's surrogate parent.
I'd have to say, Jean is probably the best (or most effective) Handler out of the lot, or at least level with Bernardo (who we don't hear enough about to make any solid obsevations). Evryone else has trouble with thier 'borgs.
Elsa commits homicide/suicide, Henrietta goes apeshit whenever Jose's in danger, Triela runs away from Hillshire, Angie has a mentle breakdown and Marco doesn't do that much to help, Petra is in love with 'Sandro, and Roballo went ond got himself killed, scaring Claes for life. What has Rico done? Got pulled of the curb and told to be snesible.
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