Model 1911 Custom (MGS)

Awinnell wrote:Nice gun, but your point Is ?

MP5 wrote:I prefer the Operator pistol better. that thing had a built-in guide rod laser sight.

ElfenMagix wrote:The 4th picture of the first series shows the barrel is plugged solid, making it a cheap toy.

Also looking at the others, its a standard 1911 with a Beaver Tail safety and Spurless Officer's hammer and lightened trigger. Also, each group of each gun is of a different 1911. Numbers, Logos, etc does not match from group to group. But the first gun on the first series does not have a beaver tail.

Really, get off the hype. You're talking about a gun that exists in games, and not in real life, though there are silenced 1911s out there. Its amazing how you go from one gun (that does not have a rail system on it) to another (that does), and think its the same gun! How does Rabello said it? Oh yeah, "You Think this Boishe Attitude if going to save you? You think that 1911s are all the same?!!"

Listen, I take the 1911 very seriously (in fact, I owned a couple of them and will be getting another when the time is right). In fact I take all guns seriously. A gun in a game is not the same as a gun in real life. You shoot somebody with a real gun, its not 10points on your score! Grow up and take things seriously. Dont Glorify a piece of metal, respect it.

MasterChiefSnake wrote:Because I want to be soldier. I'm going for USAF combat pilot first. Then I'm convert it to USMC soldier. I am interest in US military and JSDF.

Officer_Charon wrote:

MasterChiefSnake wrote:Because I want to be soldier. I'm going for USAF combat pilot first. Then I'm convert it to USMC soldier. I am interest in US military and JSDF.

Tomodachi, if you call a Marine a "soldier" you won't survive your first day. Trust me on this.

Elfen takes his weapons very seriously, because he's had to live by them. Anyone who has ever had to entrust their life to one will never, NEVER treat them as anything other than a tool to be respected. It just so happens that the item you're putting a lot of attention and child-like love towards, based on your experience from a game, is one that he's used in real life.

Those of us who have served in the military feel the same way about kids who talk about Call of Duty like it's a new gospel in the Bible.

It's great that you have a gun that you like... but understand that it is not a toy. It is not an idol. It is not something to idly praise, having never touched, never operated, never fired, never felt the recoil from, never smelt the burnt cordite and burning lubricant.

Do yourself a favor, if you can. Go to your local gun range. See if they have pistols to rent for use on their lanes. Fire about 100 rounds on several different types, and see what feels good to you. Remember that a gun is a tool intended for one thing only: removing someone's soul from their body.

Once you realise that this may be something that you will have to use to protect yourself or those you love, you may understand why Elfen takes his 1911's so seriously.

Officer_Charon wrote:I think you'll find that the reality of being a combat pilot is not at all what you imagine it to be now. If you are serious about it, then I wish you the best of luck with your endeavor.

The Glock 17 may be equipped with an optional set of maritime spring cups for use in water environments. Maritime spring cups are not intended for submerged firing, but for surface use by special ops teams who operate in and around water.
The maritime spring cups are two small parts within the firing pin assembly and are not included on any Model 17 sold by Glock (civilians can only get them through 3rd parties).

They insure that water can pass by the firing pin within the firing pin channel, thus preventing the creation of hydraulic force within the firing pin channel -- which would slow the firing pin down, causing light primer strikes.
With the special cups, the action will cycle reliably while submersed, if a little bit slower. NATO specification ammunition (such as Winchester's Ranger RA9124N) with waterproof sealed primers and case mouths is recommended.

Although you may install the maritime spring cups on any Glock model, *only* the Glock 17 was designed and intended to use the modified spring cups for aquatic firing -- and only then using 9mm ball ammunition to remain within acceptable pressure limits.

The foolhardy who insist on living dangerously must keep several things in mind: The Glock 17 must be fully submersed underwater. There must not be any air left within the pistol as the muzzle is pointed towards the surface of the water after submersion to allow the air in the barrel to escape. Use only full metal jacket, ball-type ammunition because the water within the barrel can spread a hollow point out within the barrel upon firing. This increases the bearing surface of the bullet to the barrel and could catastrophically increase pressures.

Even if the barrel doesn't burst, the expanded bullet would get even bigger upon exiting into the water and would slow down very quickly while tumbling. Accuracy would be terrible.

The marinized Glock 17 is primarily for use by various Special Warfare units operating in aquatic environments. At least one specialized Scuba diving group regularly uses G17's to dispatch sharks where they dive. The Glock 17 using NATO specification ball ammunition will completely penetrate a minimum of one 1/2" pine board at a distance of ten feet from the muzzle when fired underwater.

Trained personnel who use Glocks underwater know they must obey several rules:
1) use only a Glock Model 17 with amphibious spring cups (reliability issue);
2) use only 9mm FMJ subsonic, sealed primer ammo;
3) completely immerse the pistol and get *all* the air out of the barrel;
4) wear protective ear plugs, gloves, wet suit, face mask, etc.;
5) do not fire near solid objects or in enclosed spaces to prevent return
concussion.

However, any Glock -- even those not equipped with maritime spring cups -- will normally fire while submersed underwater. But doing so may generate excessive internal pressure and may cause the pistol to literally blow up. This is especially true with the use of high-pressure rounds (such as the .40 S&W/357 SIG) or hollow-point bullets.

I recall a reported incident where a Glockster on a boating holiday decided to show some friends how his Glock would fire underwater (because Tommy Lee Jones said so in the movies). He stuck his hand overboard, pulled the trigger and came back with a bunch of shredded plastic and a badly injured hand.

Another reported case was the Glockster who decided to try out his Glock 23 .40 S&W in the swimming pool after seeing pictures of Glocks being fired underwater on the web. He was totally submerged, with the gun, as he fired at a piece of wood on the bottom of his pool. The Glock did fire, the .40 S&W FMJ round left the barrel and went into the wood.

The chamber also exploded and implanted shrapnel into his leg. Thinking that the water would muffle the blast, he did not wear hearing protection (the blast is actually about 4 times louder underwater). He is now mostly deaf in one ear and hears high-pitched tones most of his waking life.

Officer_Charon wrote:One caveat to that, Elfen: My Glock is a Gen2 21, and has stood up pretty well to abuse sustained from daily rigors of patrolling in an area with a high salt marsh content, and has fired (under range conditions) after being dropped in a mud puddle in late spring, just to illustrate a point made by our armorer Sgt. I don't know about Gen1 Glocks, but the Gen2+ have apparently worked out the kinks in their weather-proofing. *grins*

ElfenMagix wrote:Thank you Officer Charon for the fine comments.
The USMC MEU (SOC) is something the Marines created from common 1911 stock they had leftover from WWII, literally. They created this gun in response to failures of the Barretta pistols (after getting wet in the jungles and sand in the dessert). Its not the best 1911 out there but it is a better pistol than most 1911s, Glocks, and Barretta.

Another chief complaint, the 9mm is a defensive round. This means that if you shoot someone with it, depending on where they get shot, they will survive. A .45ACP is what they call a ManStopper. The 9mm has a bad habit of going through people. A .45ACP tranfers all its engery the body, disrupting cells and organs, putting the person in a state of shock. Very few have been hit by a .45 without body armour and got up to continue fighting. This is why police officers in shot outs with the 9mm have to hit a perpetrator more than once to take him down!

But it is as I say, it is not the gun that wins a gun fight, its the idiot behind the trigger.