Alessandro Ricci

by **emperor** Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 3:35

Petrushka's handler. Alessandro Ricci spent most of his childhood overseeing the Spain Square in Rome on the fourth floor of the building he lived in, and soon developed a keen eye for observing people, earning him a job at the Public Security Division of Italy. He was set to infiltrate Padania headquarters at one time, but due to the political upheaval, he joined Section 2 instead. Alessandro initially seemed very uninterested in Petrushka; later on, he is more intrigued at the idea that she is a "weapon". He requests that Petrushka refers to him as Sandro rather than his full name — in turn, Alessandro calls her Petra.

The most recent issue of the manga seems to hint a budding romantic relationship between Alessandro and Petra. It's revealed that he used to work for Section 1 and was recruited by Rossana who was declared by public security to be the best spy in Italy. He was recruited due to his ability to Observe people and identify them. and was tutored by her to transform into anyone, and spent his early years sleeping with various VIP women much to Petra's chagrin. It's discovered why he dislikes red haired women because Rossana was red hair, and at one point they fell in love. Some time later she suddenly disappeared and she was declared a traitor. Years later it's discovered that she was pregnant during an spy operation with a man and was tired of the job.

credit:wikipedia

by **Nachtsider** Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 3:37

Could add some stuff on 'Sandro's lust for Petra, perhaps.

by West Nile Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 8:58

emperor wrote:
The most recent issue of the manga seems to hint a budding romantic relationship between Alessandro and Petra. credit:wikipedia

i put that little tid bid actually, now that im reading the subbed version, i regret putting it

emperor wrote:
It's revealed that he used to work for Section 1 and was recruited by Rossana who was declared by public security to be the best spy in Italy. He was recruited due to his ability to Observe people and identify them. and was tutored by her to transform into anyone, and spent his early years sleeping with various VIP women much to Petra's chagrin. It's discovered why he dislikes red haired women because Rossana was red hair, and at one point they fell in love. Some time later she suddenly disappeared and she was declared a traitor. Years later it's discovered that she was pregnant during an spy operation with a man and was tired of the job.

someone rewrite it and put it in rosana's section

by **ElfenMagix** Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 11:04

I would have to say the same thing. Problem is, is she a 1 time character or a long running thing?

by Guest Wed 23 Apr 2008 - 14:10

I think she is a 1 time character....her story had ended.

by West Nile Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 2:14

ya take her out

by Danjo3 Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 3:56

West Nile wrote:ya take her out

And take Sandro while you're at it.

by West Nile Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 4:00

too bad u really can't do that, he's molested Petra long enough to be in wiki

by Danjo3 Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 4:16

You know how it is when you’re throwing a party and there’s that one irritating person you hope doesn’t find out about it, but when the big night comes the bastard shows up anyway? That’s Sandro in GSG.

by **Kiskaloo** Tue 14 Jul 2009 - 15:42

Ok, since we’ve started to learn a good bit more about the girls and their handlers in recent chapters and episodes, I thought it might not be a bad time to revise their sections in the wiki. I also took the liberty of trimming them a bit, since in many cases they were more plot summaries than character summaries. Let me know what you think, please.

Alessandro Ricci enjoyed observing people, which brought him to the attention of Rossana who convinced him to join the Public Security Division. When she disappeared, he soon left Public Security and eventually ended up as Petrushka’s handler in Section 2. Alessandro initially seemed very uninterested in Petrushka, though over time he admits he finds her “fascinating”.

by **ElfenMagix** Tue 14 Jul 2009 - 17:44

"Budding?"

I dont think there are words strong enough. Maybe ephebophilia in some sense twisted sense. But to me, 'Sandro is a cyborg molesting Gimp... worse than the medical staff, who I dont think too proudly off either. Evil

by **Kiskaloo** Tue 14 Jul 2009 - 18:22

I do not believe fan fiction material is suitable for this Wikipedia entry. Razz

by **ElfenMagix** Wed 15 Jul 2009 - 10:14

Past chapters shows that he has molested his cyborg. Nevermind what opinions (mine or anyone else) may say, look at what he's actually done, and he would say that it was done for the sake of the mission. In fact- he was trained to do so by his past mentor, and has become part of his personality- at least his operational agent personality, since little is known about his personal life and the persona thereof.

by **Kiskaloo** Wed 15 Jul 2009 - 10:24

The trick is, under Italian law, he didn't.

So it falls back under "opinion".

by **emperor** Wed 15 Jul 2009 - 23:49

Alessandro Ricci enjoyed observing people, which brought him to the attention of Rossana who convinced him to join the Public Security Division. When she disappeared, he soon left Public Security and eventually ended up as Petrushka’s handler in Section 2. Alessandro initially seemed very uninterested in Petrushka, though over time he admits he finds her “fascinating” and the manga hints to a budding relationship between them.

Not mention about his spy duty in section 1 before he join section 2?

by **Kiskaloo** Wed 15 Jul 2009 - 23:51

Yes, the Public Security Division was his spying period.

by Danjo3 Thu 16 Jul 2009 - 1:40

ElfenMagix wrote:"Budding?"
I dont think there are words strong enough.

I agree. That makes it sound like it’s right or something.

by MikhailN Thu 16 Jul 2009 - 3:04

Danjo3 wrote:
ElfenMagix wrote:"Budding?"
I dont think there are words strong enough.
I agree. That makes it sound like it’s right or something.

Well, no one (in the canon at least) said it's wrong. Besides, I feel I need to give Sandro's side of the issue. What's a young man to do in a building half full with girls? What else.

by **ElfenMagix** Thu 16 Jul 2009 - 9:51

MikhailN wrote:
Danjo3 wrote:
ElfenMagix wrote:"Budding?"
I dont think there are words strong enough.
I agree. That makes it sound like it’s right or something.

Well, no one (in the canon at least) said it's wrong. Besides, I feel I need to give Sandro's side of the issue. What's a young man to do in a building half full with girls? What else.

I too would give the devil his due, but only when he respects everyone and everything around him.

Alessandro is supposed to do his work and his job like everyone else in such said building- not feel up on the female underlings and interns which he may or may not be supervising. In short, what he does to Petra 1/2 the time constitute sexual harrassment no matter how much of a willing participant she is to his actions. Another 1/3 of the time he is playing with her emotions. What's left is left for actually doing the job.

But this is a secret government agency, and some quirks are going to be allowed because it gets the job done, and getting the job done is the number 1 priority for the agency. Such complaints go to the waste side.

by **Kiskaloo** Thu 16 Jul 2009 - 11:32

I am going to drop the relationship part. We don't talk about it with Triela and Hillshire, so we won't talk about it here. After all, it's really a plot point and I'm trying to eliminate them from these synopses.

by Danjo3 Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 1:04

MikhailN wrote:What's a young man to do in a building half full with girls? What else.

What if it were a male teacher in an all girls Jr. High school? Should we be understanding of that too?

by MikhailN Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 1:07

Danjo3 wrote:
MikhailN wrote:What's a young man to do in a building half full with girls? What else.
What if it were a male teacher in an all girls Jr. High school? Should we be understanding of that too?

That's different. Teachers are supposed to embody morals. Sandro is supposed to embody the dirt on the underside of my boot, plus the SWA doesn't really have a system to check this kind of thing.

There goes my attempt to defend Sandro cheers

by sasahara17 Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 1:31

Can I try my hand at defending 'Sandro?

Yes?

'K, here i go!

*Ahem*

'Sandro is a red blooded male put in charge of this hot redhead girl who literally will do anything he asks of her and then some. Add his screwed up background, his unrequited love for his teacher (of sorts) and the fact Petra tends to move like a cat (a graceful cat... but still a cat), it was only a matter of time until he started feeling her up.

As yourself, if you were in his position with Petra following your every word asking you about all kinds of things that a normal girl her age should know, you you not even consider making a pass at her? I sure as hell would! It's the job's fault, not his!

... not very convincing was it?

Wait did I just say I'd make a pass at Petra...?

NO! I'VE BETRAYED YOU CLAES-SAMA! Cry

by **ElfenMagix** Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 10:35

MikhailN wrote:
Danjo3 wrote:
MikhailN wrote:What's a young man to do in a building half full with girls? What else.
What if it were a male teacher in an all girls Jr. High school? Should we be understanding of that too?

That's different. Teachers are supposed to embody morals. Sandro is supposed to embody the dirt on the underside of my boot, plus the SWA doesn't really have a system to check this kind of thing.

There goes my attempt to defend Sandro

OK, lets twist if further...
This JrHS/HS girl in a summer work program and Sandro is her immediate supervisor? Should he be feeling up on her?

by **Kiskaloo** Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 10:42

Folks might wish to take into consideration not applying our own prudish and up-tight American standards when discussing this. Italy, where these events take places, is not nearly so prudish or up-tight about these things. And we should also note the author is Japanese, which is a country really liberal about these things.

So while in America "15 will get you 20", it doesn't in Italy or Japan (even in a situation where Sandro is Petra's legal guardian and direct supervisor).

by MikhailN Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 10:50

Kiskaloo wrote:And we should also note the author is Japanese, which is a country really liberal about these things.

Of course. Just to prove Kisk's point, (warning: disturbing content)

[A downloadable 1996
German MA dissertation details the history of sex education in Japan[8].]

DeMause (e.g., 1991)[9] repeatedly interprets the makeup
of Japanese society as “incestuous” [orig. footnotes]:

“The average Japanese
today sleeps with his or her children until the children are ten or fifteen
years old”[10], - one
recent Japanese study found daughters still sleeping with their fathers over
20 percent of the time even after age sixteen[11]. Even when
the home contains a dozen rooms or more, parents and grandparents feel
"lonely" if they sleep apart from the children in the family, and
therefore go to bed with some child every night (the mean age in one study of
children sleeping alone is 12.7 years)[12]. Since so
many families still practice what is termed dakine co-sleeping - with the
parent or grandparent sleeping while physically embracing the child, a
practice said to be beneficial to the health of the adult”[13] - and
since most Japanese parents still regularly have sexual intercourse while the
child is in bed with them[14], one
wonders how scholars can continue to maintain that nothing sexual usually
happens to the Japanese child in the family bed, particularly since none have
yet asked the children themselves about their sexual experiences”.

From his Emotional Life of Nations[15], it appears that this
interpretation is largely a “Western”, but not entirely a psychohistorical[16] party [orig. footnotes]:

“Western
observers even today often notice that Japanese mothers masturbate their
young children during the day in public and at night in the family bed-in
order, they say, "to put them to sleep”[17]. The average Japanese mother
sleeps with her children until they are ten or fifteen years old,
traditionally sleeping “skin-to-skin” (dakine) while embracing her child
because the father-as in the traditional gynarchy-is usually absent, over
two-thirds of Japanese husbands being involved in extramarital intercourse[18]. Japanese mothers often teach
their sons how to masturbate, helping them achieve first ejaculation in much
the same manner as with toilet training[19]. A “mental health hotline” in Tokyo recently reported
being flooded with calls about incest, 29 percent of them with complaints
such as that the mother would offer her body for sex while telling the son,
“You cannot study if you cannot have sex. You may use by body”, or “I don’t
want you to get into trouble with a girl. Have sex with me instead”[20]. Wagatsuma reports “Japanese
mothers often exhibit an obsession with their sons’ penises...[they are]
usually brought in by their mothers who fear that their sons’ penises are
abnormally small”[21], with the result that Japanese
marriage clinics find “60 percent of their patients are afflicted with the
'no-touch syndrome”, that is, they will have no physical contact with their
wives for fear that it will lead to sex...[termed] the “I love mommy' complex[22]” Adams and Hill and Rosenman have
thoroughly documented the castration anxieties resulting from Japanese
maternal incest[23]”.

This was a dissertation done by DeMause, who studied Japanese society for quite a while. If it's too disturbing I can remove it Embarassed

by Awinnell Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 11:45

yeah you damn puritans lighten up !

LOL !

by **Nachtsider** Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 11:49

@ Mik's post.

Let's leave the legal viewpoint out of the picture for a while, Kisk - what does your MORAL compass tell you about 'Sandro?

by **ElfenMagix** Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 12:01

:lol!:

by **Kiskaloo** Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 12:17

Nachtsider wrote:Let's leave the legal viewpoint out of the picture for a while, Kisk - what does your MORAL compass tell you about 'Sandro?

Well personally I don't think he is having sexual relations with her.

But if he is, my moral compass isn't spinning like a top.

Look, I get people don't like Sandro and Petra. I believe a big part of that reason is because it took "screen time" away from Triela. Girls like Triela because she's attractive and strong and confident and intelligent and the most emotionally-developed of the girls. Guys like Triela because she is the one they feel they could have a relationship with because she's attractive and strong and confident and intelligent and the most emotionally-developed of the girls. While I'm more physically attracted to Claes and Angelica, I agree that Triela would be my choice for a girlfriend for the above reasons, as well. I'd just have her dye her hair as I'm generally not attracted to blondes. Razz

Petrushka would probably be fantastic in bed, but anyone who has been in a real relationship understands that sex alone doesn't define it. And girls don't like her because they think she's just a full body and empty head. And because she doesn't have any prior memories, she comes across as naive and idealistic, at least early on. And that probably turns most guys off - having a one-dimensional girlfriend you can't relate to on a level other than physical isn't very emotionally fulfilling.

So because the fanbase hates Sandro and Petrushka, they view Petrushka as a naive sex doll who just spreads her legs for Sandro because she's programmed to obey him. And they believe Sandro knows this and takes full advantage of it because he's a gigolo who will sleep with any and every woman who will let him.

But because the fanbase have put Triela up on a pedestal, she of course is fully cognizant about love and sexual desire and if she and Hillshire went at it like rabbits, it would certainly be a fully consensual and informed decision by the both of them and a wonderful step in their relationship together.

Anyway, these types of discussions just end up honking people off, so we might as well not have them.

by **ElfenMagix** Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 12:30

Kiskaloo wrote:Well personally I don't think he is having sexual relations with her.

But if he is, my moral compass isn't spinning like a top.

Look, I get people don't like Sandro and Petra. I believe a big part of that reason is because it took "screen time" away from Triela.

Sorry, that was never the case with me. I look at 'Sandro for who he is and what he does. Despite his position in past and current agencies, he is a User- one who uses people to achieve his goals and justify his means. He has very little respect for others except for his past mentor, and is quick to judge others without a second thought. If its easy- he'll take that option hands down even if the hard way may obtain more in its reward. That is what I dont like about him.

Granted- that is my opinion of him.

His relationship with Petrashuka is one of a supervisor taking advantage of his subordinate. It is not much of a stretch to think in this term. And for me its something I do not agree with.

Everything else of him is a moot point, and a splinter in the mind's eye.

by Awinnell Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 13:22

Italy is more relaxed about this sort of thing,look at their prime minister !

age of consent 14
age for alcohol 16
voting age 18
Minimum Driving age car 18
Mopeds - 14 years
Motorcycles up to 125cc - 16 years
Motorcycles up to 350cc - 20 years

by Awinnell Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 13:27

The age of consent in Italy is 14 years, with a close in age exception which allows those aged 13 to engage in sexual activity with partners who are less than 3 years older. The age of consent if one of the participants has some kind of influence on the other is 16 (e.g. teacher, tutor, biological or adoptive parent). It is also illegal to perform sexual acts in the presence of a minor with the intent of allowing the minor to witness the acts, even if they do not take an active part.

by Robert Frazer Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 19:17

Kiskaloo wrote:Well personally I don't think he is having sexual relations with her.

But if he is, my moral compass isn't spinning like a top.

I think that Alessandro and Petrushka probably have known each other in the Biblical sense - it's a bit of an oblique reference, but the end of Vol. 8 is almost identical to the same situation with Rossana and Alessandro in her apartment, and Alessandro definitely slept with her (note that he panics momentarily when she announces that he's her daughter's father - it was a joke, but a credible one, so we can surmise that they bumped uglies at least once).

Other than that, though, I agree with you entirely Kiskaloo. A&P are nothing to get wound up about (and I'm both English and Catholic, so you can imagine that I'm as prudish as they come - if something gets sanctioned by me it's practically snow-white! Razz

). Even apart from their romantic entanglements, A&P are a vitally important part of GSG and don't deserve even half the opprobrium directed their way.

ElfenMagix wrote:and is quick to judge others without a second thought.

Not unreasonably, Elfen, because he's usually right. That's Alessandro's talent - he's very good at reading people.

ElfenMagix wrote:His relationship with Petrashuka is one of a supervisor taking advantage of his subordinate.

Normally I don't favour workplace romances, as they only end in tears - don't s**t where you sleep, so to speak - but I really don't see where you get this idea from, Elfen. Throughout the manga Alessandro was pretty much pursued by Petrushka. Even from the very outset when Alessandro first met the cyborg in the recovery room, after removing her sheet he was more interested in her weight and joint flexibility than commenting on her cup size. During the rooftop fight when Petrushka landed right on top of her handler, at the prime moment for some improtmptu nuzzling he instead shoved her off of him. Right up to the crisis point in Alessandro's apartment, it took Petrushka heaving her guts up to persuade him to return her feelings!

Now, of course, Alessandro could have been conducting an intricately plannded months-long campaign of hard-to-get double-bluffing and Machiavellian misdirection and intrigue executed with balletic precision for the sake of some inexperienced fumbling even when he could probably get something a lot more satisfying with an evening trawling a bar...

...Or it could be, y'know, that Petrushka actually likes him.

by **ElfenMagix** Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 21:31

Robert Frazer wrote:...Or it could be, y'know, that Petrushka actually likes him.

And as argued many time on this forum- I'm on the side that Petra likes him because the conditioning medication make her like him.

by **Kiskaloo** Fri 17 Jul 2009 - 21:35

ElfenMagix wrote:
Robert Frazer wrote:...Or it could be, y'know, that Petrushka actually likes him.
And as argued many time on this forum- I'm on the side that Petra likes him because the conditioning medication make her like him.

Since all the evidence in the manga says she isn't conditioned to love him, I am on the side she does so of her own free will.

by Danjo3 Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 3:01

Kiskaloo wrote:Petrushka would probably be fantastic in bed...

What makes you think that? Am I missing something? Puzzled

Kiskaloo wrote:So because the fanbase hates Sandro and Petrushka, they view Petrushka as a naive sex doll who just spreads her legs for Sandro because she's programmed to obey him.

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

One also gets the impression that that Triela is not the kind of girl who would roll over on her back just because Hillshire told her to. Petra on the other hand… well, the manga pretty much says it all.

by LoC978 Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 4:43

Danjo3 wrote:
Kiskaloo wrote:Petrushka would probably be fantastic in bed...
What makes you think that? Am I missing something?

Musculature, flexibility, and stamina. Two more crucial elements are up in the air (desire and instinct). She could still possibly be terrible in bed.

...and despite all arguments to the contrary, I still say Alessandro is doing wrong by letting himself so much as lovingly caress her cheek. Putting aside the questionable reasons of age and free will, she is still his subordinate and trainee. He's supposed to be a professional.

by MikhailN Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 4:47

LoC978 wrote:
Danjo3 wrote:
Kiskaloo wrote:Petrushka would probably be fantastic in bed...
What makes you think that? Am I missing something?
Musculature, flexibility, and stamina. Two more crucial elements are up in the air (desire and instinct). She could still possibly be terrible in bed.

...and despite all arguments to the contrary, I still say Alessandro is doing wrong by letting himself so much as lovingly caress her cheek. Putting aside the questionable reasons of age and free will, she is still his subordinate and trainee. He's supposed to be a professional.

How strange. If I remember Jose hardly touches Henrietta and one of the characters comments about it. Here we have a handler who draws the line between handler and cyborg very thinly and the uproar is within the fan base. Possible plot device?

by LoC978 Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 5:01

Giuseppe received that comment from Bianchi, if I recall correctly. Bianchi only deals with the cyborgs' health, not their effectiveness in the field. Giuseppe seems to be attempting a balancing act with her need for affection against her focus on the job. After all, despite his myriad emotional problems, he's actually a professional.

by Danjo3 Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 7:27

LoC978 wrote: Musculature, flexibility, and stamina. Two more crucial elements are up in the air (desire and instinct). She could still possibly be terrible in bed.

As far as I’m concerned it’s all about desire and experience. Being a ballerina has nothing to do with it.

MikhailN wrote:If I remember Jose hardly touches Henrietta and one of the characters comments about it.

Actually it was Priscilla who said that.

by **Kiskaloo** Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 9:29

LoC978 wrote:...and despite all arguments to the contrary, I still say Alessandro is doing wrong by letting himself so much as lovingly caress her cheek. Putting aside the questionable reasons of age and free will, she is still his subordinate and trainee. He's supposed to be a professional.

But yet people do backflips and soumersaults of joy because Triela declared her love for Hillshire and jumped into his lap and passionately kissed him. Or clasps his arm. Or gets up on her tippy-toes to give him a peck on the cheek before a mission.

It's this...double-standard...that grinds my gears (with apologies to Peter Griffin). And when you consider Sandro is probably, at best, twice Petra's physical/chronological age while Hillshire is probably closer to three time's Triela's physical age (and still twice her chronological), I don't understand why Hillshire and Triela's relationship is considered "proper" while Sandro and Petra's is considered "improper". If it's improper for one, should it not be improper for both? Both are supervisors and their charges are significantly younger than them.

I can't help but distill it down to a simple answer: "We like Triela, so it's great that she and Hillshire are affectionate and we anxiously await more. But we hate Petra, so Sandro is a pedophile who should be ashamed at allowing such unprofessional behavior between superior and subordinate."

by **Nachtsider** Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 9:47

Let me make one thing clear - I would be the first person to turn up my nose if Hillshire and Triela ever got more than merely affectionate. For the record, I also believe that Hillshire would probably be shocked if Triela kissed him on the lips back then and he found out about it (never mind the fact that I believe she kissed him on the cheek).

by **ElfenMagix** Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 10:38

Danjo3 wrote:
LoC978 wrote: Musculature, flexibility, and stamina. Two more crucial elements are up in the air (desire and instinct). She could still possibly be terrible in bed.
As far as I’m concerned it’s all about desire and experience. Being a ballerina has nothing to do with it.

Just because she can place her ankles behind her head does not mean that she will be great in bed. As far as we know- she can just lay there while 'Sandro does all the dirty work.

Danjo3 wrote:
MikhailN wrote:If I remember Jose hardly touches Henrietta and one of the characters comments about it.
Actually it was Priscilla who said that.

It was actually both, and at least 1 more by I forgot who.
In The Pasta Prince Chapters/Episode, Bianchi tells Jose this.
In later chapters (I think in V4) Bianchi has another talk with Jose. This time Jose gives Henrietta a pinch on the cheek, and she was mortified by it!
In V3 or V4, Priscilla makes a comment to him about being more open to Henrietta in from of the others.

In short- people care about Henrietta and how Jose cares for her.

But Jose better watch himself... Henrietta did warned him at the end of V1- "If I loved someone and that love was not returned, I would kill that person, then I would do this.", and she places her gun to her eye.

by Danjo3 Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 10:40

Nachtsider wrote:For the record, I also believe that Hillshire would probably be shocked if Triela kissed him on the lips back then and he found out about it (never mind the fact that I believe she kissed him on the cheek).

Excellent point. Keep in mind that it’s Triela who’s making the advances not Hillshire. He’s doing nothing what so ever to encourage her. Sandro on the other hand is practically raping Petra (Yes, I am among those who think he’s boinking her). There’s no way in hell you can put these two relationships in the same category.

by **Kiskaloo** Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 10:48

LoC978 wrote:Giuseppe seems to be attempting a balancing act with her need for affection against her focus on the job. After all, despite his myriad emotional problems, he's actually a professional.

I also believe that he sees Henrietta as a surrogate for his dead sister Enrica so that surely plays a role in how he relates to her.

by **Kiskaloo** Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 10:54

Kiskaloo wrote:
LoC978 wrote:Giuseppe seems to be attempting a balancing act with her need for affection against her focus on the job. After all, despite his myriad emotional problems, he's actually a professional.

I also believe that he sees Henrietta as a surrogate for his dead sister Enrica so that surely plays a role in how he relates to her.

Danjo3 wrote:Keep in mind that it’s Triela who’s making the advances not Hillshire. He’s doing nothing what so ever to encourage her.

I'd argue that. He's certainly not actively leading her on, but I don't see Triela as a "reverse loli-con" - someone like Rin Kokonoe from Kodomo no Jikan or Ivy from Poison Ivy - who has an infatuation for older men.

At this point, I consider my current draft to be good for publishing.

Going forward, maybe we should just create a separate "Sandro and Petra Suck" thread so people can put all their negative comments in there and we don't have to keep watching any and every thread about either of them degenerate into the same argument.

by Danjo3 Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 11:04

Kiskaloo wrote:Going forward, maybe we should just create a separate "Sandro and Petra Suck" thread so people can put all their negative comments in there and we don't have to keep watching any and every thread about either of them degenerate into the same argument.

They suck too much to be confined to one thread. Their suck must be free to run wild! Free I tell you! Hissy fit

by **ElfenMagix** Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 11:07

Danjo3 wrote:
Nachtsider wrote:For the record, I also believe that Hillshire would probably be shocked if Triela kissed him on the lips back then and he found out about it (never mind the fact that I believe she kissed him on the cheek).
Excellent point. Keep in mind that it’s Triela who’s making the advances not Hillshire. He’s doing nothing what so ever to encourage her. Sandro on the other hand is practically raping Petra (Yes, I am among those who think he’s boinking her). There’s no way in hell you can put these two relationships in the same category.

I agree.

And I'll add this: Despite any arguements on Petra's love being forced by the conditioning medication, What 'Sandro does to her is Rape. Dr. Belongi's statements of Petra's love not being caused by the condition medication in my view are a lie. In the past, all the First Gen cyborgs are in love with their handlers, and each display that love in different ways to their handlers. Elsa was the only one who killed her handler for reasons we know. Now here is Petra, undergoing the same or simillar treatment in taking a drug whose second componant is to make her loyal to her handler, and who is now in love with her handler- Dr. Belongi is beside himself with another possible Elsa incident sitting right there on his examination table, and he has no way to correct this in his view. Thus to save his own ass and the asses of his medical staff- he's putting blame on Petra and not the medication that is swaying her into that emotional direction of loyalty.

Here in NYC/NYS, there is a sub law in the Rape laws which says: If a victim was made into a willing participant in a sexual act due to the affects of a drug, alcohol, mental manipulation or other cause, it is still Rape (Second Degree- Punishable by up to 10 years in prison). Petra is under the influence of a drug to make her loyal to 'Sandro and follow his orders, even if such orders are for her to drop her panties for him. In my view, this shows how much of a low life 'Sandro is, because this shows that he is taking advantage of her even if she allows herself to be a willing participant and because these are the laws I live under. To prove me wrong- how would Petra act without the conditioning medication upping her loyalty levels?

by MikhailN Sat 18 Jul 2009 - 11:07

Danjo3 wrote:They suck too much to be confined to one thread. Their suck must be free to run wild!

That was so wrong... Embarassed

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