What else apart from MP5 can hide in briefcase?

they also make shoulder holsters for it.

The Spectre M4 and KRISS Vector should fit in a case, yeah? Maybe a H&K UMP too?

Also, @Mossington in a can. The JIC is pretty neat, though it's really meant for burial or boat use. It's a very big, obvious cylinder. Sucks its not big enough to accomodate a folding stock.

John_234 wrote:Also, @Mossington in a can. The JIC is pretty neat, though it's really meant for burial or boat use. It's a very big, obvious cylinder. Sucks its not big enough to accomodate a folding stock.

Yeah, but wrap it in nice leather and dress like an architect you could probably get away with it

Speaking of leather, a tall man in a trench coat can conceal almost anything. Cold weather is a big asset for this sort of work

just use Glock G18 automatic pistol...small,compact,durable,9mm,fitt into a pocket and potentially lethal......that also goes to M93r beretta RAFFICA with it's burst fire mode....

Burst fire pistols are just insanely stupid, IMHO.

The Glock 18C is indeed marketed to military types, but being a pistol you have a hard time hitting anything. Most people try to put a stock on it for the PDW type role, which is really redundant when we have modern PDWs like the PP-2000, MP7 and such. It's worth noting that the burst fire handguns out there - the VP-70 and the 93r primarily, both had stocks they were frequently utilized with. Then you have the Stechkin, which uses a holster-stock like the Mauser C96. It was more used as a big semi-automatic, though.

EDIT: To clarify, I don't really like fully automatic pistols, but it makes more sense than burst fire.

John_234 wrote:Burst fire pistols are just insanely stupid, IMHO.

The Glock 18C is indeed marketed to military types, but being a pistol you have a hard time hitting anything. Most people try to put a stock on it for the PDW type role, which is really redundant when we have modern PDWs like the PP-2000, MP7 and such. It's worth noting that the burst fire handguns out there - the VP-70 and the 93r primarily, both had stocks they were frequently utilized with. Then you have the Stechkin, which uses a holster-stock like the Mauser C96. It was more used as a big semi-automatic, though.

EDIT: To clarify, I don't really like fully automatic pistols, but it makes more sense than burst fire.

just like in other post you'd say "depend on people"......so it's our choice then to pick anything that could kill a person without him/her suspecting first.....

John_234 wrote:Burst fire pistols are just insanely stupid, IMHO.

so do M16 an an94 assault rifle.

I don't actually like the M16A2 / A4. It seems most people use them in semi-automatic anyway. The AN-94 has auto though, mind you.

John_234 wrote:I don't actually like the M16A2 / A4. It seems most people use them in semi-automatic anyway. The AN-94 has auto though, mind you.

i though AN-94 was 2-round burst.....

GattoNero wrote:

John_234 wrote:I don't actually like the M16A2 / A4. It seems most people use them in semi-automatic anyway. The AN-94 has auto though, mind you.

i though AN-94 was 2-round burst.....

In video games.

It has auto on top of 2 round burst. The first two rounds are blistering fast and then it settles into a 900 RPM automatic mode.

John_234 wrote:

GattoNero wrote:

John_234 wrote:I don't actually like the M16A2 / A4. It seems most people use them in semi-automatic anyway. The AN-94 has auto though, mind you.

i though AN-94 was 2-round burst.....

In video games.

It has auto on top of 2 round burst. The first two rounds are blistering fast and then it settles into a 900 RPM automatic mode.

i've check it in wiki....the also said it was double round burst...

It has both. That's why most websites list two different rates of fire.

John_234 wrote:It has both. That's why most websites list two different rates of fire.

that's what i meant....just like m16 with single fire selector,an-94 had both full auto-double burst fire mode...

The M16A2, M16A4 and M4 all lack fully automatic.

The AN-94 has burst and automatic. Does this make sense?

John_234 wrote:The M16A2, M16A4 and M4 all lack fully automatic.

The AN-94 has burst and automatic. Does this make sense?

fire selector....

Yep, both of them have them. They go like this:

M16A2
Safe-Semi-Burst

AN-94
Safe-Semi-Burst-Auto

Most M16s do not have both burst and automatic fire.

John_234 wrote:Yep, both of them have them. They go like this:

M16A2
Safe-Semi-Burst

AN-94
Safe-Semi-Burst-Auto

Most M16s do not have both burst and automatic fire.

back to the point,why all of people i know hate beretta 93r?

Dunno? Burst fire was never popular with stocked weapons. I can imagine its worse for handguns, which have the advantage of convenience rather than firepower.

to expensive for what it did,low ammo capacity(it used an extended 20 round mag) you could get similar sized and priced submachine guns that worked a lot better

It also looks awful.

so i'll just pick FMG9 and Glock 18 as my choice

If you like machine pistols, anyway. Every gun has its uses.

John_234 wrote:If you like machine pistols, anyway. Every gun has its uses.

and that's why i go loud with awp in css point blank range...very effective sniper for cqc in counter strike source if you asked me...long distance sharp shooting is the other thing i good at using steyr scout....

.... uh, okay.

COD,CSS or any FPS game is not, in any shape or form, anything like the real world !

Yeah I don't even think dedicated mil-sims cut it close.

The majority of FPS games have guns that function like prop guns. =P

GattoNero wrote:

back to the point, why all of people i know hate beretta 93r?

I don't, but that's probably because I was a big Able Team (spin-off of Mack Bolan / The Executioner series) fan back in the '80's. Agree though that they're too impractical.

Still, given that the girls have the cyborg strength to hold down the recoil, I guess they would be useful for when you needed a small SMG, but couldn't carry a violin case or shoulder bag. And hey - Rule of Cool.

Awinnell wrote:COD,CSS or any FPS game is not, in any shape or form, anything like the real world !

i know.....and that's why i play paintball....+ archery

A weapon that fits in a brief case lets see no has mentioned yet having a double barrel sawed off 12 guage shot gun or even a sawed off lever action variety for more rounds and added bad a$$ery

dragonfire238 wrote:A weapon that fits in a brief case lets see no has mentioned yet having a double barrel sawed off 12 guage shot gun or even a sawed off lever action variety for more rounds and added bad a$$ery

and hell will rain to both shooter and target

dragonfire238 wrote:A weapon that fits in a brief case lets see no has mentioned yet having a double barrel sawed off 12 guage shot gun or even a sawed off lever action variety for more rounds and added bad a$$ery

Most people in GSG that go for ultra-compact shotguns tend to gravitate toward designs like the Serbu Super Shorty. You don't even need a suitcase to conceal it, and more rounds than a double barrel.

Not sure what advantages a lever action poses, though... do you mean a .30-30, .357, .44, shotgun?

John_234 wrote:

dragonfire238 wrote:A weapon that fits in a brief case lets see no has mentioned yet having a double barrel sawed off 12 guage shot gun or even a sawed off lever action variety for more rounds and added bad a$$ery

Most people in GSG that go for ultra-compact shotguns tend to gravitate toward designs like the Serbu Super Shorty. You don't even need a suitcase to conceal it, and more rounds than a double barrel.

Not sure what advantages a lever action poses, though... do you mean a .30-30, .357, .44, shotgun?

I think he means shotgun. And you can hide it in a box of roses too. Que Terminator theme.

Last time I checked though, the Serbu Super Shorty held two rounds, not in the same manner as the sawed off, but the capacity is the same.

Two plus one in the pipe. One more over a double barrel

John_234 wrote:Two plus one in the pipe. One more over a double barrel

Ah, I see. I see. Very well then. Double barrel would be easier to maintain though, yeah? Say... in the event of a nuclear war or zombie apocalypse or the aliens take over?

That's debatable, actually since Remington and Mossberg shotguns have more common parts.

As far as the Serbu goes I would probably actually go with a slighter longer shotgun with a wire folding stock. Four rounds, maybe.

John_234 wrote:As far as the Serbu goes I would probably actually go with a slighter longer shotgun with a wire folding stock. Four rounds, maybe.

Such as...?

Destroyer of Worlds ;D wrote:

John_234 wrote:As far as the Serbu goes I would probably actually go with a slighter longer shotgun with a wire folding stock. Four rounds, maybe.

Such as...?

I meant a Serbu with the barrel and mag tube not cut down quite as short.

Just thought I'd post this here.  I remember thinking about this issue when writing my Dolomites story, and trying to work out what Triela could fit in a backpack.  Though there's still the issue of the girls being smaller - you can't have too large a backpack either.

P90, maybe.